Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxn!pez From: pez@pyuxn.UUCP (Paul Zimmerman) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.religion.christian Subject: Gnosticism: Is Satan an intermediary to the ultimate God or not? Message-ID: <353@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Fri, 20-Sep-85 16:58:15 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxn.353 Posted: Fri Sep 20 16:58:15 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Sep-85 06:06:43 EDT References: <8508172148.AA02946@sdcc6.ARPA> <308@pyuxn.UUCP> <2195@sdcc6.UUCP> <346@pyuxn.UUCP> <1170@wucs.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Piscataway, N.J. Lines: 24 Xref: watmath net.religion:7723 net.religion.christian:1339 Steve Swope responded to my article on gnosticism by claiming that what I was saying implied simply that God and Satan were not the same. What you forgot, Steve, is that I also said that gnosticism is rife with the same assumption that other God whorshiping religions make. That assumption is that the ultimate God must be good. I don't believe that for a minute. If God exists as you picture Him and Satan exists as some stumbling block between us and the ``good'' God, then why has a ``good'' God left such a stumbling block between Him and us? Any explanation you come up with has got to be incredibly distorted for the purpose of maintaining the belief in a benevolent God. Why not simply accept the fact that if the evidence is there in favor of some evil deity (and you would seem to admit that), then either he is the ultimate God himself (which is what I believe), or at best, his ``boss'' is no better than he is. It is not an issue of naming, it is an issue of misnaming, and attributing separate names to God for when He visibly engages in evil (a ``nomme de mal'') and for when He claims to be the almighty good. Certainly God has taken no steps to eradicate Satan (wouldn't that be suicide of a sort?). In fact, He has propped him (Himself) up as the ruler of the domain of earthly souls. Be well, -- Paul Zimmerman - AT&T Bell Laboratories pyuxn!pez Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com