Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.7.0.8 $; site sysvis Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!convex!sysvis!news From: news@sysvis Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: "Christian" Nations Message-ID: <-145727662@sysvis> Date: Wed, 25-Sep-85 14:24:00 EDT Article-I.D.: sysvis.-145727662 Posted: Wed Sep 25 14:24:00 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 28-Sep-85 08:34:32 EDT References: <544@k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA> Lines: 39 Nf-ID: #R:k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA:-54400:sysvis:-145727662:000:2438 Nf-From: sysvis!news Sep 25 13:24:00 1985 >> [Wingate.] I'll be the first to concede that the English government has in >> the past been tyrannous about religion. But it is hardly so now. [...] > [Maroney.] You'd think differently if you were a Scientologist. They are > routinely denied visas and their books cannot be distributed. Sorry, Wingate. If true, this is certainly religious based harassment. Old habits die hard. However, it is "better" now (for some). Now ol' Tim turns right around and does the same thing. To wit: > Don't get me wrong;(sic) I despise Scientologists; [Wow!] there's a lot of > bad blood between them and Thelemites(?), due to L. Ron stealing(?) large > amounts of money and property from Jack Parsons. But they still have a > right to follow their moronic(?) religion without [judgmental?] impediment. Aren't you lumping ALL (moronic) scientologists together and condemning them as a group? Your earlier postings led me to believe that you considered "lumping" to be less than desirable. Do you also lump all Baptists with Jerry Falwell, all atheists with Madeline Murray O'Hare, or all Roman Catholics with the Pope? Why is it now okay for you to so lump? You defended Islam (earlier postings), without a religious degree in their precepts. Now you condemn Scientologists, I presume without a degree in those precepts. How did you ever get such a wide ranging knowledge? Why is it okay for you to JUDGE the Moham- medans(good), Scientologists(bad), etc. without due process of ideas? Was the `theft' by L. Ron alleged, or a court judgment? Can you, Tim, state just what it is that you feel is "moronic" about either the Scientologists or their reli- gion, in the interests of fairness? I feel that Islam has been covered pretty well lately, at least up to the point where interested individuals can further research it on their own. Don't get the idea that, because *I* attempt, in my own limited way, to defend religious (and intellectual) freedom of expression on this net, that I feel the need to adhere to any person/group discussed. Thereby, I am nipping in the bud those who wish to write responses full of accusations about my personal loyal- ties and then condemn me for them. I stand for INDIVIDUAL freedoms of expres- sion, discussion, religion, and ideas. Totally! ...!ihnp4!sys1!sysvis!george The ideas expressed here are mine. No one else is responsible for them. Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com