Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.7.0.8 $; site sysvis Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!convex!sysvis!george From: george@sysvis Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: "Secular Humanism" banned in th Message-ID: <-145727658@sysvis> Date: Thu, 26-Sep-85 18:51:00 EDT Article-I.D.: sysvis.-145727658 Posted: Thu Sep 26 18:51:00 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 29-Sep-85 06:18:18 EDT References: <1768@pyuxd.UUCP> Lines: 38 Nf-ID: #R:pyuxd.UUCP:-176800:sysvis:-145727658:000:2499 Nf-From: sysvis!george Sep 26 17:51:00 1985 Bob and Ray, Rich and Ray, whomever: To argue back and forth about "ideals" of planned parenthood centers does nothing to solve the real original problems that were being addressed. For an example: A young girl goes to a PP center and receives the pill. She is not aware of the dire consequences that can occur in HER body chemistry if the pill is misused (not abused). The same young lady develops a near fatal blood clot by a chemistry combination of smoking & the pill. I don't believe that the PP center is responsible enough medically to examine the youngster on a regular basis to see if problems devlop. The PP center has no record of the youngster's health history. I personally know a family that this very thing happened to. The youngster acquired pills unbeknownst to her parents, who at least could have counseled her on the medical, moral, and legal issues. I have no objection to PP centers, in the form of family doctors, who are CAPABLE of being responsible for this sort of thing. Morali- ty is not the question, life is the question. I could include some other scenarios about abortion clinics, but the main issue is that life is not handled with idealistic dogmas or committee decisions. All scenarios can only be handled by responsible people, making their own decisions. The very minute that some self-righteous bigot in the guise of morals, government, religion, good-of-the-people, ideal-answer, etc. steps in we immediately have an improper imposition on the lives of PEOPLE. People ARE self-responsible in this world (except for those that are verifiably sick) and ARE capable of making the correct decisions within their own contexts. Which one of you self-righteous people is going to solve other people's lives for them? You are both attempting to do so, by your own words. People are alive and of this world, they are not theoretical constructs that are to be manipulable by the cognoscenti. Let's dicusss issues that are of some real value here, like getting the government out of the day-to-day affairs of people and back into fixing the streets so that people can use them without injurious effect to their cars. Moral decisions are not the responsibility of either the government or any church, they are the responsibility of those involved in the situation. Neither of you is being posted in the papers as the world's ne-plus-ultra example of personal living morality, so forget trying to interfere with others. ...!ihnp4!sys1!sysvis!george Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com