Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion Subject: Re: "Secular Humanism" banned in the US Schools. Message-ID: <1801@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Sun, 29-Sep-85 02:11:19 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxd.1801 Posted: Sun Sep 29 02:11:19 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 2-Oct-85 01:11:19 EDT References: <1072@ulysses.UUCP> <607@hou2g.UUCP> <11384@rochester.UUCP> Organization: Whatever we're calling ourselves this week Lines: 45 Xref: watmath net.politics:11261 net.religion:7825 > Let's be a little more specific here. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT of the > United States as created in and by the Constiution was not to endorse > or adopt a religion as a NATIONAL religion, nor was the federal > government to interfere in the State's and peoples' right to freely > exercise their religious beliefs. This prohibition does not extend to the > States, some of which already had a state-endorsed and sponsored religion. > > How was this done? Check the first Amendment; Congress was prohibited > from making laws respecting religion. Without laws the federal executive > could not enforce anything and without laws the federal courts were to > have no jurisdiction over religious matters. > > The federal courts have overstepped their bounds and usurped jurisdicion > where they have none. Recent legislation attempting to limit the > unconstitutional actions of the federal judiciary have been unsuccessful, > but will not be forgotten. > > This is a Christian nation simply because a majority of the people in > the United States are Christians. We do not need, nor should we want, > a declaration of Congress to make it so. [WARREN SHADWICK] So much for Jews, Muslims, believers in other religions, atheists, agnostics, etc. First we have Paul Dubuc insisting that no morality without a god has any "force". Now we have "proof" of that force. Anybody who actually believes this crap is so unconcerned with personal freedom as to be rightly labelled anti-American, anti-democracy, and anti-human (the opposite of what they claim to be). It's amazing what sort of wordtwisting these moral impositionalists will engage in, what ends they will resort to, to make their "point". Do you doubt that the religious right is the enemy of freedom? Read just one example above. Read another from Don Black. Read another from the wide variety of "Christians" who seem to think they have the right to impose their morality on the rest of us, despite the nature of our country, the nature of its founding principles. "This is a Christian nation simply because a majority of the people are Christians", you say? Does that mean that this is a white nation? A heterosexual nation? If anything, we are a HETEROGENEOUS nation, with a variety of people from a variety of backgrounds ALL of whom have rights in this country despite your crass assertions, despite the fact that they are not in some majority group that seeks to impose its will on the rest. Your position disgusts me. Unfortunately, it does not surprise me. -- Meanwhile, the Germans were engaging in their heavy cream experiments in Finland, where the results kept coming out like Swiss cheese... Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com