Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!qantel!dual!lll-crg!gymble!umcp-cs!seismo!rochester!pt.cs.cmu.edu!k.cs.cmu.edu!tim From: tim@k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA (Tim Maroney) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion Subject: Re: "Tax Supported" Churches. Message-ID: <582@k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA> Date: Wed, 2-Oct-85 20:40:35 EDT Article-I.D.: k.582 Posted: Wed Oct 2 20:40:35 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 6-Oct-85 05:18:09 EDT References: <421@persci.UUCP> Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, Networking Lines: 47 Xref: watmath net.politics:11329 net.religion:7882 (Forgive me, but this one just has to be quoted....) >In article <569@k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA> tim@k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA (Tim Maroney) >writes: >>Look, the issue here is very simple. >> >>Does it cost the government money to fight fires, maintain the streets, >>patrol neighborhoods to discourage blatant criminality, and pick up the >>garbage? Obviously it does. >> >>Do churches benefit from these services to the same extent secular >>organizations do? Obviously they do. >> >>Do churches pay for them? Obviously they don't. > >Tim, the issues are *ALWAYS* simple when you don't use real facts, >but invent them up out of your own prejudice. You really should go >sit on the board (the "vestry" in Anglican churches) of a church, >participate in the community outreach programs of that church, and >sit in on their budget committee meetings, before you go spouting >off again about how the churches get a free ride from the state! > >Does Tim *really* know what goes on in a church? Obviously he doesn't. >-- >William Swan {ihnp4,decvax,allegra,...}!uw-beaver!tikal!persci!bill The really fun thing about this response is that I am accused of not providing facts, by someone who ignores every fact I cited and provides no facts of his own. I will repeat, typing slowly so as not to over-run Mr. Swan's limited buffer space. Churches receive the benefits of many government services. Among these are (1) fire fighting, (2) maintenance of the public roads, (3) garbage collection (except, of course, where it's a billed utility), and (4) police discouragement of criminality. There are plenty of others, but I think these will do for a start, particularly since you have not responded to any of them yet. Since they receive government services without paying for them, unlike secular organizations, then they are being supported by taxes. Bill, respond with facts and to my point next time, or don't expect a response. -=- Tim Maroney, Carnegie-Mellon University, Networking ARPA: Tim.Maroney@CMU-CS-K uucp: seismo!cmu-cs-k!tim CompuServe: 74176,1360 audio: shout "Hey, Tim!" Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com