Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site petrus.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!karn From: karn@petrus.UUCP (Phil R. Karn) Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Re: Re: Debris from Upcomming ASAT Test Message-ID: <620@petrus.UUCP> Date: Thu, 3-Oct-85 03:05:54 EDT Article-I.D.: petrus.620 Posted: Thu Oct 3 03:05:54 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 4-Oct-85 05:36:43 EDT References: <385@aurora.UUCP> <15800003@uiucdcsp> <108@muscat.UUCP> <634@osu-eddie.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc Lines: 47 > Another case of OK for us, not OK for them? The USA uses nuclear power > plants. Take a look at the Voyager and Pioneer spacecraft. But those > are deep space vehicles! you say? Until they get into deep space they > can still fall. That's even more of a problem in these days of shuttle > launch rather than booster launch. Very true. The US has flown plenty of plutonium-239-fueled thermisotope generators, since they are the only practical power sources for deep space probes like Pioneer and Voyager (not enough sunlight) or probes designed to operate continuously on the surfaces of other planets (Apollo ALSEP, Viking). However, to date we have actually flown only one nuclear reactor in orbit. I believe this was on a Transit navigational satellite in the middle 60's. The American space program has had its nuclear mishaps too. Remember Apollo 13? There is a few kg of plutonium sitting on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean somewhere if you want to get it. It was the fuel source for the ALSEP package which came back when the lunar module "lifeboat" burned up during re-entry. The real difference, however, between the American and Soviet uses of nuclear power in space is not just that the Soviets fly many more of them than we do. It's that they're incredibly irresponsible in their designs. Their nuclear-powered ocean survellance radar satellites operate in very low earth orbits. When such a satellite wears out, normal procedure is to boost it up to a long-lived orbit; however, if that move fails it is bound to re-enter within a few weeks or months, and that's exactly what happened with Cosmos 954 and 1402. This is much worse than having a launch failure for two reasons: 1. "Unburnt" plutonium or uranium is only weakly radioactive, and its alpha emissions are easily shielded (the Apollo astronauts handled the plutonium sources for ALSEP with their gloved hands). However, a reactor that has been running for a while becomes extremely hot because of accumulated fission products. 2. Re-entry could occur almost anywhere, instead of over the ocean or Siberia as would be the case with most launch failures. I wonder if the Americans have considered this point. It was mentioned in the Scientific American article that these ocean surveillance satellites are the ones that the Pentagon worries about the most. It just occurred to me that shooting one of these down with our ASAT would guarantee that its radioactive remains re-enter the atmosphere within a pretty short time. A real game of Russian Roulette. Phil Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com