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From: terry@nrcvax.UUCP (Terry Grevstad)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (flame-ish)
Message-ID: <254@nrcvax.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 12-Sep-85 18:51:36 EDT
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jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman) says:
>> > The point is that women, at most, are equal to men. 
>> > 
>> The point is that there is no penis envy, but there IS womb envy.
>> Every woman is everything any man is, plus she has the ability to
>> nurture a child.  This is the reason for men's fear of women, that
>> men are only the spark which ignites the fire of life which burns
>> within woman.  Women are, at least, equal to men.
>> 
>> 			Sunny
>
>	I doubt that the question of whether men are superior to women (or vice
>versa) is even meaningful....  
>the possibility of superiority, is not based on objective fact, but rather on
>a hidden assumption that the concept has a meaning.  And trying to nail down
>the meaning is like trying to pick up a globule of mercury with one's bare
>fingers.

Loading Mercury With a Pitchfork - Richard Brautigan

>	Now can we stop this stupid bickering?

Why can't people just be "people"?  Why do we have to have the
I'm-A-Woman-And-I'm-Equal-To-Any-Man syndrome and the
I'm-A-Man-And-I'm-Better-Than-Any-Woman syndrome?

I've known many men that I will probably never be the equal of.
I've also known many women that I will probably never equal either
But my goal is to try and be the equal of these people (Note:
"people") because I admire them, be they male or female.  And the
reasons I admire them has nothing to do with agression, or
outspokenness, or masculinity, or femininity.  The reasons have to do
with the myriad of details that go into each person's (Note: "person")
soul.

Why do people ask first "Is this person male or female?"  Why not ask
"Is this person of worth?"  (Please, no flames on yes-every-individual
is-of worth.  To me, each individual's worth depends on my evaluation
of that person's worth according to my standards.  Who is of worth to
me, may not be to you, and vice versa.)

In conclusion:  I've always liked my name.  No one can tell if I'm
male or female unless someone tells them, or they meet me in person.
I've only been disappointed twice in over 30 years when people have
finally met me.


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                                                       Terry Grevstad
                                         Network Research Corporation
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