Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucsfcgl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ihnp4!qantel!dual!ucbvax!ucsfcgl!arnold From: arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold%CGL) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Name-changing and "identity" Message-ID: <643@ucsfcgl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 18-Sep-85 23:19:20 EDT Article-I.D.: ucsfcgl.643 Posted: Wed Sep 18 23:19:20 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 20-Sep-85 06:58:31 EDT References: <510@osiris.UUCP> <255@nrcvax.UUCP> Reply-To: arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold) Distribution: net Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab Lines: 31 In article <255@nrcvax.UUCP> terry@nrcvax.UUCP (Terry Grevstad) writes: >jcp@osiris.UUCP (Jody Patilla) says: >> It is also historically true that a woman takes a man's name as a >>sign of becoming his property - in effect, her virginity ceases to be the >>property of her father and is given over to her husband. > >There is also the aspect that when a woman takes the man's name, or >vice versa if you prefer, it means that the "family" as a whole has >one name. This tends to unite the family as a group, giving it a >sense of unity, which hopefully will *keep* it a family. When each >individual in the family has a different name, there is an element of >unity missing, which has a tendency to split up the family. Prove this, please. Or, to be more precise, please cite enough references of reputable studies which show or imply this conclusion that would at least lead a reasonable person to believe this even *might* be true. If you cannot, then you are only stating your own world view, which is not butressed by any data. You could please distinguish. I feel that a lifetime commitment is cemented by mutual respect. Insisting that that one individual follow a tradition based in inequality, if they don't want to, doesn't seem to show much respect for that individual. I kept my name when I married because I have lived with it all my life, and it is, in a subtle but real sense, part of my identity. I respect my spouse's identity, and would never ask her to modify it if she didn't want to. This kind of respect for the other's humanity, at least for me, makes me feel much more secure and loving and, thefore, more *united*. Not less. Ken Arnold Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com