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From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Name Changes ("traditions that have evolved" disappearing)
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Date: Thu, 19-Sep-85 10:37:59 EDT
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Posted: Thu Sep 19 10:37:59 1985
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> >Why doesn't the preacher say "and now the bride may kiss the groom?  
> >Why is there no flower boy following the groom?
> >Why is there no shower for the man, instead of a party that wrecks his brain
> >for weeks?
> 
> You are living in the past.
> The preacher does not say that the groom may kiss the bride,
> in modern marriages between equals. Neither the bride nor the groom
> wants such a thing said.
> 

Until you can show me undenialble proof that you and all of us know where we
are going, I will choose to remain in the past, after all, the past worked
and has spoken for itself (there wasn't a 50% divorce rate) the present doesn't
look too healthy, and the future is cloaked in the vagueness of experimentation.
I hope the monsters created are more helpful than harmful.
I choose to ride the train of values and tradition because I can at least
have some perspective about it's destination, if you want, you have the 
choice of riding an untested, untried vehicle going only to God knows where.

> There are often young boys included in ceremonies (actually they
> have been for many years -- as ring-bearers, so their "masculinity" is not
> "compromised") and everyone thinks they are just as cute as the little girls.
> 
Ring-bearers have been around for many many years.

> A lot of "bridal" showers now include both the bride and the groom
> and the people invited include men as well as women. I have had and/or attended

A lot of bridal showers do not include men.  So much for that argument.

> several very successful showers over the last few years which were really more
> gift-giving followed by a social evening with friends of both sexes.
> Lastly, the "stag" for the groom is often being omitted (because he was at the
> shower) or replaced by his being taken out to lunch or dinner.
> 
> Wake up -- you are living in a changing world.
> 
>    --from the sssstickkky keyboard of JAM
>    ...!{ihnp4|clyde|decvax}!watmath!jamcmullan

Changing to what?  You assume all change is for the best or just best for you?


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