Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watnot!watdcsu!dmcanzi From: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: Re: tariffs,shoes: a source Message-ID: <1787@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Wed, 23-Oct-85 20:52:25 EDT Article-I.D.: watdcsu.1787 Posted: Wed Oct 23 20:52:25 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 24-Oct-85 01:12:44 EDT References: <2673@watcgl.UUCP> <1778@watdcsu.UUCP> <2681@watcgl.UUCP> <1784@watdcsu.UUCP> <2693@watcgl.UUCP> Reply-To: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) Distribution: can Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 48 Summary: In article <2693@watcgl.UUCP> jchapman@watcgl.UUCP (john chapman) writes: >> >> >...the >> >> >*highest* paid factory worker (all blacks) gets $40/wk which is >> >> >below even the South African governments poverty line for blacks. >> >> >It's easy to understand how the shoes from those factories might be >> >> >cheaper. [John Chapman] >> >> >> >> So, would they be better off not working and getting $0/wk? [David Canzi] > >The arguments that they are better off (as they are now) are basically the >same as those used to justify continued slavery in the american south >(they need masters or they'll starve; they wouldn't know what to do with >freedom; at least as slaves they get fed every day....... and on and on) Which appears to be the same argument used to justify import quotas: they (Canadian workers) need jobs (ie. masters) or else they'll be poor (sorta like starving). >It seems to me that you were the one expressing concern about the workers >of other countries... I've noticed, from a number of your postings, that you are a very moral person. When you asked "what happens to the workers who would lose their jobs if quotas were removed?", the intent, I think, was to portray opposition to quotas as heartless and/or cruel. I asked in return "what happened to the people who lost their jobs when the quotas were implemented?" The intent was to show that people opposing quotas don't have a monopoly on heartlessness and cruelty. Two important points: Firstly, you can't morally justify throwing foreign workers out of their jobs to provide Canadians with jobs unless you feel that Canadians are somehow more deserving. Secondly, quotas don't create jobs so much as they redistribute them. >> Given this, it is, of course, immediately obvious that we must restrict >> imports from *all* shoe-producing countries. (The reasoning that leads >> to this conclusion is so simple that I'll let you explain it.) > >Well it's certainly not my statement (nor one I would make) so I'll let >try and explain your logic..... Well, since your assertion that South African blacks would be better off unemployed instead of exploited was part of a pro-quota argument, I figured it must somehow be supporting your position. Forgive me if I misread you. -- David Canzi "Permission is not freedom."