Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!qantel!dual!lll-crg!seismo!brl-tgr!matt From: matt@brl-tgr.ARPA (Matthew Rosenblatt ) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: The Status of the Fetus and Its Rights Message-ID: <2019@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Wed, 9-Oct-85 15:03:14 EDT Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.2019 Posted: Wed Oct 9 15:03:14 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 12-Oct-85 19:31:36 EDT References: <429@cmu-cs-spice.ARPA> <1546@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: Ballistic Research Lab Lines: 45 > My premise was only that the willful destruction of the life > of an innocent full legal human being is legally murder. That, indeed, is > equivalent to the legal DEFINITION of murder. Therefore, if fetus killing > is a lesser crime than murder, then the fetus is not legally a full human > being. [BILL TANENBAUM] The common-law definition of murder that I remember does not use the words "innocent full legal." Murder is the willful killing of another with malice aforethought and without justification or excuse. The common law did not need to spell out that "another" refers to a human being, because judges and juries were men of common sense who would not waste time trying the killer of a horse for murder. If fetus-killing is a lesser crime than murder, that just means the fetus's right to life is guarded by a lesser sanction than the already-born human being's right to life. Example: In many States, the killing of a uniformed policeman on duty can bring the death penalty under circumstances where the killing of a civilian can bring at most imprisonment. Does that mean that the legis- lators who enacted these penalties, almost all of them civilians, believe that they are less fully, legally human than a uniformed police officer? What society does when it really feels a practice is evil is increase the sanctions against that practice, in order further to discourage it. Abortionists before 1973 were never considered mere lawbreakers in the same category as a traffic speeder or a tax evader. There was a real stigma attached to doctors who did abortions, as well as a possible jail term. There still is a stigma -- why do you think abortion-clinic personnel don't like right-to-lifers telling the world what they do for a living? Now, suppose abortion is re-criminalized. What is to be done with the "back-alley" practitioners who will attempt to perform abortions, killing fetuses and risking women's lives? If society is serious, we can't just wink at them as we wink at bookies and pot pushers and prostitutes who -- we say -- aren't REALLY doing anyone any harm. We'll have to go after them the way we go after murderers, rapists and arsonists: Make a serious police effort to track them down, and enact penalties strong enough to deter most of them (NOT THE DEATH PENALTY -- REMEMBER, MATT ROSENBLATT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY.) If enforcement and penalties used against abortion equal in severity those used against murder, it should make no difference whether or not we construe the term "murder" to include abortion. -- Matt Rosenblatt