Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!lll-crg!seismo!rochester!pt.cs.cmu.edu!k.cs.cmu.edu!agn From: agn@k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA (Andreas Nowatzyk) Newsgroups: net.arch Subject: Re: Re: More on Metastibility Message-ID: <591@k.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA> Date: Thu, 10-Oct-85 23:57:14 EDT Article-I.D.: k.591 Posted: Thu Oct 10 23:57:14 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 13-Oct-85 04:43:46 EDT References: <442@rna.UUCP> <552@spar.UUCP> <211@fas.ri.cmu.edu.ARPA> <181@l5.uucp> <1146@dual.UUCP> Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI Lines: 27 Unlike Paul Wilcox-Baker believes, the academics were far from silent about this topic. Thomas J. Chaney (among others) fought many battles to allert places like DEC and TI to the very existence of this problem. The article "Measured Flip-Flop Responses to Marginal Triggering", IEEE transactions on Computers, Vol. C-32 No. 12, Dec 1983 has a table of the data for a collection of common Flip-flops. Ouoting said table: MTBSU(20ns) MTBSU(40ns) 74S74 10 s 7x10**9 s (worst case, 74-75 dated devices) 7474 -- 10 s 74LS74 -- 0.4 s 74F374 2x10**13 2x10**35 MTBSU is the Mean Time Between the Synchronizer events where the FF is still Unresolved for a given synchronization time. Please look up the article on the precise set-up conditions and how to scale the results for a particular circuit. Talking about "Zillions" is not unreasonable given that these figures span 35 (!) orders of magnitude. -- -- Andreas Arpa-net: agn@cmu-cs-k.ARPA uucp-net: ...!seismo!cmu-cs-k!agn