Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83 based; site houxa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!houxa!593aac From: 593aac@houxa.UUCP (S.JOHNSON) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Crossovers - Throw the book away? Message-ID: <808@houxa.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-Oct-85 17:14:34 EDT Article-I.D.: houxa.808 Posted: Wed Oct 16 17:14:34 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 18-Oct-85 00:21:17 EDT Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 52 I read with interest a recent posting about crossover design circa 1952. Bob, you're certainly on the right track by using film caps instead of electrolytics, but unless you're very lucky, the design right out of the book is not going to work very well. The problem is that the book usually makes some simplifying assumptions: the drivers present constant, purely resistive loads, and that the acoustic frequency response of the drivers is perfect. In addition, most experts in the field consider that 18db per octave is the gentlest crossover slope to use with practical drivers (12 db networks put a nasty notch at the crossover freq. unless you reverse the tweeter's phase, and then you get some rather strange phase effects!) (6db networks are theoretically perfect for ideal, physically coincident drivers but don't work so well with most (all?) real drivers). So in the past, most designers have either just used the book values, or have empirically come up with other designs. Neither is acceptable from my view. What is the answer??? 1) Make each driver look like a constant, resistive load to the crossover. By the way, assuming that the impedance is 8 ohms because the manufacturer says so just won't cut it. It's almost certainly 6.2 or 5.1 or 9.7, etc. For the most part the Zobel network will do this! It involves a capacitor and resistor across the driver in the case of woofers to compensate for the voice coil inductance ( no attempt to compensate for the fundamental resonance) and a slightly more complex network for mids and tweeters to compensate for the motional impedance at resonance as well as the voice coil inductance. Note that ferrofluid often damps the fundamental resonance enough to simplify matching problems for mids and tweets. 2) Don't assume that the frequency response of the driver is perfectly flat. Tweeters do tend to rolloff at 1 Khz or 2 Khz, etc. Add the acoustic rolloff to the electrical rolloff of the crossover. For example if the tweeter is rolling off at 12 db per octave at 2000, a 6db electrical network at 2000 will yield an acoustic crossover of 18 db per octave. The other approach is to use a sharp rolloff rate (18 or 24db) per octave far from where the driver rolls off and ignore the driver's rolloff. Using these techniques, book designs can be made to work. And very well indeed! One last point, don't wind your crossover coils with small gauge wire. The resistance, in many cases, will degrade performance appreciably by throwing off your design. I use 18 guage in small coils, and 10 guage in my largest coils. Film caps are better than non-polar electrolytics, never try to make your own non-polars by wiring standard electrolytics back to back. Steve Johnson (The above opinions are definitely my own)