Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.bio Subject: Re: Flying dinosaurs. Message-ID: <777@psivax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 7-Oct-85 12:15:40 EDT Article-I.D.: psivax.777 Posted: Mon Oct 7 12:15:40 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 12-Oct-85 14:34:02 EDT References: <148@winston.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 31 Summary: In article <148@winston.UUCP> kovish@winston.UUCP (Barrie Kovish) writes: >[] > >Here is a question and a proposal regarding "flying" >reptiles in the mesozoic (?). First the proposal. > >I have seen parts of a debate as to weather some of the >larger reptiles could fly or were only gliders. Most >of the arguments seem to assume that the reptiles >either were carion eaters or ate fish. Both of these >seem some what unlikely if the organisms were only week >gliders. My suspicions are that these organisms could fly >much better than we think. However there is another possibility >albeit somewhat bizzare. > No one has ever said that Pteranodon and Quetzalcoatlus were *weak* gliders. Have you ever seen an Albatros fly? They are hardly *weak* gliders, since they *rarely* flap their wings and yet can stay in the air for *days* on end and go where they wish. The model for the large gliding pterosaurs is based to a large extent on the Albatros, which *is* a glider and *is* a fish eater. Similar considerations apply to carrion eating gliders, such as modern large vultures. Note that it is not strictly *size* which is significant, it is wing structure. Gliders have long thin wings *relative* to body size, active flyers have relatively shorter, broader wings. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) UUCP: {ttidca|ihnp4|sdcrdcf|quad1|nrcvax|bellcore|logico}!psivax!friesen ARPA: ttidca!psivax!friesen@rand-unix.arpa