Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site rayssd.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!rayssd!djb From: djb@rayssd.UUCP (Douglas J. Bonn) Newsgroups: net.books Subject: Middle Earth (Tolkien) Questions Message-ID: <1182@rayssd.UUCP> Date: Thu, 24-Oct-85 12:12:56 EDT Article-I.D.: rayssd.1182 Posted: Thu Oct 24 12:12:56 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 25-Oct-85 23:53:38 EDT Sender: readnews@rayssd.UUCP (USENET News Account @ Raytheon Co., Portsmouth RI) Distribution: net Organization: Raytheon Co., Portsmouth RI Lines: 75 Theses are some questions that might be suitable for discussion on the net. I assume that anyone who tries to answer these have a very good knowledge of "The Hobbit", "The Lord of the Rings" Trilogy (LotR), and "The Silmarillion". There are probably no hard-and-fast answers to these questions, but I am interested in hearing educated speculation. Question #1: Why did the Council of Elrond not seize upon the resistance of the race of dwarves to the Ring? In other words, should not Gimli, Gloin's son, have been chosen as Ringbearer? He could not have been turned into a wraith. That is stated explicitly in the text (forgive me for not quoting the location in LotR). I already know that the "burden" could not be laid upon someone's shoulders, but it seems to me that JRRT overlooked this possibility. What would have happened had Gimli been the Ringbearer? Question #2: I used to ask readers of LotR this trivia question: "Which of the Rings of Power still existed in Middle Earth after the Sailing of the Keepers?" My answer was the chief of the Nine Rings, that of the Witchking of Angmar. Though powerless after the One had been destroyed, I assumed that it had been found on the Pelennor Fields during the clean-up, and preserved as an heirloom in Gondor, or in some museum somewhere. (I always wondered what would have happened if Merry had picked it up during the Battle.) I assumed that each of the Nazgul wore his(/her?) ring since becoming enslaved to it. I assumed wrongly. JRRT makes it clear that (in the Silmarillion, I think, perhaps the Akalabeth) Sauron held all the Nine and the three of the Seven that survived. Fine (I guess--though I liked my way better), but answer me this one JRRT: Why did Sauron not use the Nine (and even the Seven) to enslave more powerful men: why not have an army of Nazguls? Why only Nine? As Frodo and Gollum could have been turned into wraiths by the One Ring, why could the Nine not have multiple "victims"? Question #3: Sauron went to great trouble in the middle of the Third Age to recover all of the Seven that survived. Why? What use were they to him? It didn't seem that he used them at all. [My own answer is this: he didn't want some other character like Radagast or Saruman to come across one. Sure, the DWARVES couldn't use them, but Saruman? Who knows what he could do? Comments? Does this sound reasonable?] Question #4: How did Denethor keep from spilling the proverbial gruel to Sauron via palantir about the Quest of "the witless halfling"? He knew of the Quest and its mission before Faramir was wounded, and he used the palantir while he was wounded. [My answer: He had other things to think about. But it sounds fishy to me.] Question #5: Does anyone know the tales of the other six of the Seven Rings of Power? One can piece together a sketchy history of the Ring of Durin, but what of the others? It says that four of the Seven were consumed by dragon flames. [Besides Smaug and Scatha, no dragons are mentioned in the Third Age, aside from a stray comment in the Tale of Years (Appendix B of "Return of the King") that "dragons begin multiplying again" or something like that.] Question #7: Does the Mythopoeic Society still exist? Does anyone know its present address? I have the old one, which was: Mythopoeic Society PO Box 4671 Whittier, CA 213-384-9420 If anyone knows if this is still correct, please mail or post. This is a group that studies the lore in the books of JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis and Charles Williams. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Douglas J. Bonn {allegra,linus,raybed2,ccice5,brunix}!rayssd!rayssde!djb | | Raytheon SSD / Box 330 / Portsmouth, RI 02871-9988 / 401-847-8000 x 3991 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Its an ill wind that blows nobody any good, and all's well as ends better!" Gaffer Gamgee