Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site bbncc5.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!bbnccv!bbncc5!jr From: jr@bbncc5.UUCP (John Robinson) Newsgroups: net.dcom Subject: Re: Need pointers to Internet, Arpanet 1822, X.25 standards... Message-ID: <675@bbncc5.UUCP> Date: Fri, 11-Oct-85 15:46:58 EDT Article-I.D.: bbncc5.675 Posted: Fri Oct 11 15:46:58 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 14-Oct-85 03:28:31 EDT References: <1062@trwrdc.UUCP> <10592@ucbvax.ARPA> Reply-To: jr@bbncc5.UUCP (John Robinson) Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, MA Lines: 50 Keywords: X.25 1822 Summary: more pointers to requested standards X.25 is a widely-used network interface standard promulgated by the CCITT, a part of the International Telephone Union (Telegraph maybe?), which is itself a UN body. Copies of it are widely available. One place that will be happy to sell you one is: Omnicom Inc. Suite 206, 501 Church St. NE Vienna, VA 22180 703-281-1135 The current version is dated 1980; the 1984 version is imminent, thoughthe differences won't be material until the DDN (DoD networks) implement it which will be maybe a year; the differences are minor and mostly extensions you won't need. In the DDN, X25 is a host access link protocol available as an alternate to 1822 (which is not used very much outside the DoD). DoD network hosts are expected to use TCP and IP, for which specs are available from the NIC as previously stated. Hosts using X25 to access the DDN need to know how to encapsulate IP datagrams inside X.25 messages; this is covered in BBN report 5476. This follows the guidelines originated in RFC 877 from the NIC. It also refers to FIPS (Federal Information Processing Standard) 100, which standardizes the use of X25 in US Government networks (and is included in report 5476). For the BBN report and matters relating to the DDN, you should work through: Defense Communications Agency ATTN: DDN Program Management Office Code B610 Washington DC 20305 I will be happy to field (brief) technical questions about how these standards relate to each other on the DDN; please send mail because I don't read this newsgroup too regularly. Another comment on the datagram-vs-VC battle - X25 and 1822 will really become essentially equal methods of accessing the DDN by about fall 1986. Although 1822 seems to present a datagram interface, in reality the network builds virtual circuits on behalf of hosts anyway and always has. The hosts' control over these VCs is only indirect; 1822 implementors know about "RFNM-counting". X25 allows hosts to control the setup and teardown of VCs in the network explicitly, which can result in lower network overhead if the host is smart; gateways in particular ought to be able to take advantage of this to provide better flow control back to specific hosts and avoid much of the packet loss seen today (by hosts sending to gateways over long-haul networks). Well, I could go on but won't... /jr