Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site ihuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!ihuxn!gadfly From: gadfly@ihuxn.UUCP (Gadfly) Newsgroups: net.women,net.motss,net.flame Subject: Re: Possible Ban on Pornography Message-ID: <1204@ihuxn.UUCP> Date: Mon, 7-Oct-85 10:26:58 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxn.1204 Posted: Mon Oct 7 10:26:58 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 8-Oct-85 03:59:26 EDT References: <369@scirtp.UUCP> <1625@ihuxl.UUCP> <11317@rochester.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 30 Xref: watmath net.women:7649 net.motss:2144 net.flame:12218 -- > Now I understand Ken to be saying this: that morals are codes of conduct > one would want everyone to adhere to. And since pornography is immoral > by his set of morals, he wants it unavailable to everyone. NO, NO, NO!!! All I said was "Morals are universal and morals are for keeps." I've been very careful to differentiate between what is moral and what is legal. Porn is (and ought to be) legal. Some of it is immoral. That which is immoral *still* ought to be available, though perhaps not to everyone. Even if I thought it should be unavailable to everyone *does not mean* there should be laws proscribing it. That's what the "for keeps" is about. Moral transgressions are answerable on some other plane of existence. If you don't believe this, well, you don't--in which case I am appealing to whatever it is inside you that keeps you from being a sadist even in the company of masochists. I can and do differentiate between moral and legal because I find the prevailing belief in utilitarianism (in essence, greatest good for the greatest number) politically expedient and generally beneficial, but morally bankrupt. Anyone who has been involved in actions of civil disobedience has had to come to a similar conclusion. I'm glad to see I've touched a few nerves here, but I'm dismayed at the frequent misinterpretation of my comments. -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 07 Oct 85 [16 Vendemiaire An CXCIV] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7753 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!iwsl8!ken *** ***