Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 alpha 4/15/85; site weitek.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!turtlevax!weitek!mmm From: mmm@weitek.UUCP (Mark Thorson) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Toilet Paper Message-ID: <290@weitek.UUCP> Date: Fri, 11-Oct-85 10:57:41 EDT Article-I.D.: weitek.290 Posted: Fri Oct 11 10:57:41 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 14-Oct-85 05:37:24 EDT Organization: Weitek Corp. Sunnyvale Ca. Lines: 23 Keywords: over (wrong) vs under (right) There is a historical reason as to why the paper should come out "under" rather than "over" the roll. Old-fashioned toilet paper holders consisted of a wooden dowel (to hold the roll) which was attached to the wall via a rectangular wire frame (which went around the roll). The frame was free to swing up and down from the bracket attaching it to the wall, so the roll would actually contact the wall even as its diameter was reduced from use. Now if the paper comes out from below the roll, the roll is lifted away from the wall when you pull on the free end. But if the paper comes out over the top, this lifting action is absent. Worse yet, the direction of rotation of the roll cinches it against the wall. You end up tearing off the one or two squares of the free end, hardly enough to service a cat. Post-WW2 holders are generally cast or injection molded pieces with no swing action. They hold the roll away from the wall, so the over vs. under controversy no longer applies. The continued existance of this debate is a relic from earlier times when it DID make a big difference -- one way worked and the other didn't. Those who understood the problem either had to educate everyone in the house, or change the paper themselves. Of course, today's generation just places the roll on top of the toilet tank because they're too lazy to take the dowel off the holder. Mark Thorson (...!cae780!weitek!mmm)