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Date: Thu, 10-Oct-85 20:59:57 EDT
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>      By the way, I haven't seen too many items in the news recently about 
> synagogues and other Jewish facilities actually being damaged by known "IC"
> followers.  The main problem is that Identity Christians are gradually and
> steadily undermining the myth of the Holocaust.  And without the Holocaust, 
> the Israeli UN Protectorate has no reason to be protected.  

The Holocaust, against Jews, Russians, Gypsies, and all of Hitler's other
"subhuman" groups, is not a myth.  In fact, the Nazi's actually took films,
created monuments, and glorified the Death's Head group right up to the
taking of "the bunker".  They expected the world to Thank them.  Neo-Nazis
want to believe that such things did not happen, but should.  Can you
actually tell me that you deny that the Holocaust happened?  I don't think
you are that ignorant of the evidence.  I have seen the BRANDS (not tatoos)
on the arm of a camp survivor.
  
> >If Jesus himself heard the IC philosphy he'd puke.
> 
>      One who does not believe in Him should not try to explain what He taught.

At least in the Jewish community where I grew up, the teachings of "Jesus"
(Jews know him by his real name) are considered to be very important
teachings.  In the group I was closest to, they even accept the possibility
that he was a "child of God".  What no Jew can do however, is violate the
first two of the ten commandments, by worshipping "Jesus" as a GOD.

In a Jewish household, the eldest son will pay the domestic servants as a
symbol of his authority.  This authority is equal to that of the father.
This concept is the "Jewish Delemma".  At no time did Christ claim to
be God, or "the father's authority".  The teachings of Paul, John, and
the Vatican I council claimed this power on Christ's behalf.  Based
on the authority of the Ten Commandments, this is the ultimate Heresy,
even for his Son.

It is interesting that Roncally (Pope John 23), the one who was almost
excommunicated for babtizing Jewish children so they could get off the
Nazi "death boat", initiated Vatican II for the purpose of "Cleaning House".
Among the agenda, an acceptance of Jews as spiritual brothers, a readable
translation of the bible, a reduction of idolatry (transubstantiation),
and the bishop's conference.

>      I notice also in this article the writer is running out of logical 
> arguments against Christian Identity.

If you want to search your background far enough back to prove you are Jewish,
this is fine.  If you want to believe that through babtism, you are ADOPTED
into the tribes, that is O.K. too.  What amazes me is when a Morman goes
to the Temple and is told through "Devine Inspiration" to which of the 12
tribes he belongs, by heredity yet!

 I don't know what version of IC you come from, but I do question the
validity of USURPING Jews as "God's Peculiar Treasure (Correct
translation)".

>      The fact is their is one particular group in this country who is 
> advocating religious tolerance from one side of their mouths, while practicing 
> religious bigotry on the other side.
 
> desires nothing more than to have ALL religion driven from community life,
> from family life, from the school environment, from the government 
> environment.  They want nothing but secular atheism taught and practiced.  The
> concept of a Higher Authority is completely alien to them.

I assume you are talking about Atheists.  Unfortunately, people like
Jerry Falwell, who preach "Totalitarian Christianity", provide them
with too much ammunition!  Christian history is full of violence,
partly as a matter of survival, but isn't it time for Christians to put
down the swords and pick up the spiritual principles?

Fundamentalist Christianity (Falwell's brand) is full of "Christian Morality"
which was adopted from the MOSLEM culture.  If true "Christian Spiritual
Principles" were getting as much airplay as Falwell's "Apartheid Stand",
maybe we would see the opportunity for "After Class Prayer Meetings" in
school.  The Catholic Bishops take a stand against nuclear suicide and
Falwell calls them Communists.

>  The fact is that 
> Christian, Jew, and Moslem alike have the right to resist this movement, by 
> any means necessary.

Perhaps the best way is to push "Spiritual Principles" rather than "Right
Wing Morality".  The fourth chapter of AA's "Big Book" is one of the best
arguments for a "Higher Power" ever written, so is the book of Mathew.
So why to Fundamentalists always recommend "The Gospel According to John",
a book that even "Doctrates in Theology" don't fully understand, as the
first book an "Investigator" should read?  Because Mathew (properly
interpreted) is revolutionary and leftist. (Besides, who wants to
reccomend a book written by a pimp).

>      The fact is that this particular group cannot tolerate exposure or 
> criticism.  They cannot even stand legitimate commentary.  Those who do dare 
> to take a stand against them are branded as liars or worse (as you can see).  
> But that's all right.  It's to be expected.  And in doing so, they only expose 
> themselves for what they are.  

O.K. so here I am, advocating the teaching of "Spiritual Principles" in school,
Opposing a Ban on Pornography, defending your right to publish even your
"Anti JDL" opinions, but disagreeing with most of what you say.

>      --Don Black
>      "...dec-vax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-pundit!black"
>       VAXmail:  PUNDIT::BLACK
> 

	Earwig - Rexford