Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ccivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!rochester!ritcv!ccivax!rb From: rb@ccivax.UUCP (rex ballard) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: HOW TO DEAL WITH A JERK Message-ID: <309@ccivax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 14-Oct-85 19:20:30 EDT Article-I.D.: ccivax.309 Posted: Mon Oct 14 19:20:30 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 18-Oct-85 21:00:01 EDT References: <372@wuphys.UUCP>, <3165@nsc.UUCP> <238@pyuxii.UUCP> <1191@ihuxn.UUCP> <1854@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: CCI Telephony Systems Group, Rochester NY Lines: 55 > > I agree with T.C. so rarely I thought this time was worthy of > > mention. Well put, T.C! As a Jew, I am alarmed at the growing > > popularity (clearly overstated by Black, of course) of so-called > > "Identity Christianity", and have occasionally wondered just what > > awful thing happened to Mr. Black to make him hate Jews so much. > > But, I ignore him. If his stuff gets you bent out of shape, perhaps > > you can take solace in an aphorism I recall from a philosophy prof > > I once had: "Junk is its own refutation." [PERLOW] > > Can't agree with you at all, Ken. First, Black is not exaggerating in so > great a manner. Identity Christianity is growing and its seeds take root > in an atmosphere such as the one we have today. Farmers are actively recruited > in the heartland with lines like "The Jew bankers are foreclosing on your > mortgages and taking away your farms." I think with toads like Black (who > is probably NOT an Identity Christian judging from his adherence to the > newfound style of net satirist ('funny', Ray Frank) who simply asserts utter > balderdash in an effort to get people upset. > Such crap is so easily debunked as to make it seem like it's > not a challenge, which in turn leads people to think "nobody could ever > believe that crap, why bother?" Which is one reason why it should be done, > for what's obvious to you or to me is not necessarily so obvious to someone > else. > -- > Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr Perhaps the best way to "Deal with a Jerk" as this header implies, would be to have 60 minutes, or 20/20 do an interview with Don and his "friends", and let them expose themselves for what they are. Alan Berg (the talk show host in Denver who was shot) did exactly that with organizations such as the Neo-Nazis, the KKK, and other "Right Wing" organizations. In fact, he let them look so rediculous answering caller's responses of disgust, that the police actually suspected some one from one of these groups. The key element here is exposure. I would like to see Don name a few of these groups of "Identity Christianity", so we could all make sure that when they show up in our town, he get's lots of exposure. If you silence Don, as they tried to silence Adolf, he might go underground until he can generate enough REAL support to FORCE YOU and ME to GO ALONG with his peculiar plans. The frightening thing about Nazi Germany was the subtle way in which they were able to build a society which was afraid to stand up for the rights of the Jews. Nazism started as a small pyramid scheme, 1 person gets ten to "Go along", each of those gets 10 more ... By the time "the Party" gained control, people were afraid to oppose it. Prior to that time, those who did not "hate Jews" (see the profit in exploiting them), did not know or believe that Hitler would do such a thing (the Haulocaust). When a polarizing view becomes public, people attempt to be more moderate. In the 60's, the SDS, YIPPY, and other militant anti-war movements caused an equal and opposite "My country, right or wrong" movement. The end result however, was that we began to examine our role in Vietnam more objectively. When it became clear that the choice was "Nuke 'Em" or "Leave 'Em", we did our best to leave without getting into an embarrasing situation (Like half the U.S. armed forces as POW's).