Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ccivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!lll-crg!seismo!rochester!ritcv!ccivax!guest From: guest@ccivax.UUCP (What's in a name ?) Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics Subject: Re: State Terrorism Message-ID: <313@ccivax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-Oct-85 20:49:14 EDT Article-I.D.: ccivax.313 Posted: Wed Oct 16 20:49:14 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 19-Oct-85 04:07:01 EDT References: <903@abnji.UUCP> <1559@hammer.UUCP> Organization: CCI Telephony Systems Group, Rochester NY Lines: 85 Xref: watmath net.flame:12380 net.politics:11559 > The implications are that the people of the world, not just the U.S., are > not going to stand for other people behaving like animals anymore. How > do you know it isn't the right solution? > If someone comes at me with a knife or a gun and tries to do anything to > me, I will rip that person to shreds or die myself (and if I don't, buddy, > I will personally invite you to my house to spit in my face). You don't know until you have that gun pointing at your head, what your going to do. Even marines think twice when the enemy has the gun pointed right and they don't. There were marine POW's in each of our wars. > In my opinion, we should have sent forces to Iran and trashed those people > that messed with us. We should have gone straight into Berlin and bitten > Hitler's face off. Al Capone lived too long. We let Iraq do our dirty work for us, Hitler shot himself before we could get there, and letting Al Capone die of the Clap was better justice than anything we could have done! > Criminals have got to expect to be treated like the dirt that they are. > If I drive too fast, I should get a ticket because there is a law against > it. Suppose you were NOT speeding, but the officer give you a ticket to fill a quota, still want to pay? > This has nothing to do with whether or not I think a law is right. So if they make having blue eyes a capital offence, you will go to the gas chamber willingly? > If I sell heroin, I shouldn't even be protected by illegal search and > seizure laws. This has nothing to do with rights. If DEA agents bust into your house at 4:00 in the morning, and "Find" heroin that you never knew you had, your going to say "Shoot me"? > Criminals, by their very crimes, are saying "we don't believe in rights > anymore". Fine. Even those criminals who confess to their crimes usually attempt to justify their actions as a reponse to a violation of their rights, real or imagined. Many self-confessed crimes are committed as "Revenge". > You ask what the implications of us taking action are? Ask yourself what > Russia would have done in the same situation. Ask yourself what you would > have done in the same situation. The Russians shot down the KAL 747 claiming "self defence", we condemed them harshly for it. We commit piracy, claiming "hot pursuit", and expect the world to cheer about it. Terrorism is terrorism, be it a war, or the act of rebel forces. Retaliation just breeds more retaliation. Oppression just breeds more Retaliation. If a single Jew had gone to Egypt and shot those pirates, that would be an act of terrorism, in the Arab view. If they had been tried in an open court, they probably would have confessed proudly, and spent the rest of their lives in jail. The U.N. has little provision for trying individuals, no prisons for international felons, and very little "power of extridition". They have Interpol, which is like a toothless dog, lots of bark, but no bite. Neurenburg, could have been a powerful precedent for an international court system, but became a "Kangaroo Court" instead. If you want international law, you must consent to be governed by it. Instead, both the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. veto any measure they don't like. As a result, Israel can let the Lebonese slaughter unarmed civilians, the PLO can blow up Embassies, and terrorism becomes a heroic act. Even civil suits cannot be tried because governments deny "subpenea power" for practally any government document that might prove even slightly embarrassing. Occaisionally, we sacrifice a goat (Calley comes to mind) if the evidence is overwhelming, but only at the lowest possible level (Calley was a lutennant wasn't he?). Once the sacrifice is made, the world assumes that it won't happen again. The only reason Woodward an Johnson(?) are alive today is that congress was controlled by Democrats and "Deep Throat" could have made life very uncomfortable for a lot of people. Do you really believe the watergate burglers were the first to be "Paid for thier conviction", or the last? Nobody looked twice against Mondale's smear campaign against Hart! There could have been Republicans setting those placecards.