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From: mcgeer@ucbvax.ARPA (Rick McGeer)
Newsgroups: net.politics,net.flame
Subject: Re: Don Black's "America First" viewpoint (and now to Vietnam)
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Date: Thu, 17-Oct-85 20:33:06 EDT
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In article <905@udenva.UUCP> awinterb@udenva.UUCP (Art Winterbauer) writes:
>In article <391@ssc-bee.UUCP> bmac3@ssc-bee.UUCP (Scott Pilet) writes:
>>>    began as a struggle by the Vietnamese themselves to gain their independence
>>>     from French colonialism. Rather than saying we "lost" Vietnam it might
>>>     be more accurate to say that the Vietnamese people won Vietnam in the
>>>     same way that we won our independence from British colonialism 200 years
>>>     ago.
>>
>>I suggest you talk to some of the Vietnamese who have escaped from
>>Vietnam since the fall of Saigon.  The ones I have talked to would 
>>disagree with your statement that the Vietnamese people won Vietnam.
>>It is possible these refugees were unable to adapt to the new 
>>egalitarian regime and those remaining are better off, but that is a
>>matter of opinion and of ability to interpret history.
>
>As a matter of fact, I wonder what happened to the Tories sympathetic
>to the British cause during the American revolution.  What happened to
>them after the war?  Did they become boat people too?  If questioned,
>did they paint a rather grim picture of the United States?  Any historians
>out there?  I vaguely recall reading that they were made to feel uncomfortable.

They did, in fact, become Boat People -- at the time, they were called the
United Empire Loyalists, and they settled in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia --
and in those provinces then called Upper and Lower Canada. In fact, in Upper
Canada a group settled on Lake Ontario at a place called Hogtown.  Lord
Simcoe later built a fort there (Ft. York) and in due time the place was
renamed Toronto.

					-- Rick.