Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-pundit!black From: black@pundit.DEC (America first, without apologies.) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Freedom of Choice Message-ID: <981@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Tue, 22-Oct-85 15:26:58 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.981 Posted: Tue Oct 22 15:26:58 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 24-Oct-85 00:05:22 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 113 Steve Howard, aka Mr. Blore, writes: >Subject: Re: Don Black's Ramblings >Posted: 14 Oct 85 22:17:45 GMT > > Here's Don Black, rewriting history again. Better men than I are rewriting it. My initial argument, way back when, was that people such as Zundel, for example, have the RIGHT to question accepted history, and that groups such as the Institute for Historical Review have the RIGHT to exist without being firebombed. As can be seen on the various nets, an awful lot of people disagree with that premise. Also as I have said in the past, I would think that an objective forensic examination of the sites and other evidence would prove the holocaust story one way or the other. I would think that such an examination would be welcome. But obviously this is not the case. >The myth of the Holocaust? The myth of 6 million dead people? The numbers Flamed at me have varied from 5.5 million to 14 million. >Were those doctored photos of Auschwitz, Spandau, and the other concentration >camps? One would think that there is no real way to tell, given the age and sources of the photos. >Was the movie footage I saw of people being executed done in Hollywood on a sound stage? Nope. Not likely. >Do you deny the testimony of survivors who can show tattoos and scars as >evidence of the actions that took place in those camps? Nope. Certainly SOMETHING happened to THEM. What I question is what happened to the six million others. > The main problem is that Don Black ... is gradually and steadily >trying to erase an historical fact, the elimination of which really wouldn't >help his cause. Not quite. See my comments above. It's obvious that an objective discussion of the topic is not possible here. Or in Canada. >(the only person I've ever read who claims to belong to something called the >Identity Christians--the premise of which is more ridiculous than that of >scientology) "Freedom of Religion," Old Chap. To each his own, etc. Besides, if I'm "the only person you've ever read" on the subject, how can you claim it's so ridiculous? But that's a discussion for net.religion. > Suppose, for a moment, that the Holocaust didn't happen. 6 million German >citizens died in 6 million unrelated bizarre toaster accidents, or whatever. 3 million were Poles. >Is the position of Don Black's so-called Identity Christians any better off? >I fail to see how. A good question. I could almost agree with you. > Whether it does any good or not, this revisionist view of history can >only lead to a lot of screwed-up thinking on the part of people who believe it. To prevent it from happening again, we must understand EXACTLY what happened, right down to the last minute detail. In order to gain this understanding, we MUST have the right to examine ALL the evidence, ALL the testimony, ALL the opinions, without fear of prosecution or persecution. Somebody made the decision to shaft Zundel and Keegstra, and to burn the library of the IHR. If they had left well enough alone, they would have been better off. Now I submit there's a skeleton in somebody's closet. >Can you say Big Brother? I knew you could. Say what? People's thinking is screwed up only when they are denied the right to hear all sides of the story. Steve, the obvious difference between you and me is that I make no claim of forcing you to believe what I say. I leave you that option. --Don Black "...dec-vax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-pundit!black" VAXmail: PUNDIT::BLACK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "...the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that dis- regards the Eternal Order of Rules and Right, which Heaven itself has ordained." --George Washington, First Inaugural Address, 1789 ================================================================================ Posted: Tue 22-Oct-1985 15:21 To: ROLL::RHEA::DECWRL::"net.flame"