Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rtech.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!nsc!amdahl!rtech!jeff From: jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman) Newsgroups: net.micro.pc,net.micro.atari,net.micro.mac Subject: Re: DRI agrees to change GEM ; why?? Message-ID: <697@rtech.UUCP> Date: Fri, 18-Oct-85 03:31:31 EDT Article-I.D.: rtech.697 Posted: Fri Oct 18 03:31:31 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 21-Oct-85 03:40:40 EDT References: <3208@nsc.UUCP> <1196@vax1.fluke.UUCP> <3226@nsc.UUCP> <299@ccivax.UUCP> <3251@nsc.UUCP> <533@ihlpm.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Relational Technology, Alameda CA Lines: 55 Xref: watmath net.micro.pc:5673 net.micro.atari:1435 net.micro.mac:3071 > > > > This also has nothing to do with the visual copyright.... > > Huh? Visual copyright?! I doubt such a thing exists - Imagine IBM copyrighting > not only their ROM code but the look (the top is a plastic rectangle with these > little metal pins sticking out... :-) ). > > My understanding of software copyright law is that someone can produce a program > with a similar visual look, and as long as no code is pirated from the first > program, no infringement exists. Otherwise Xerox should certainly sue Apple. > > Kevin Kinder A good book on copyright law is "The Copyright Book" by William S. Strong, an attorney who specializes in the field. The publisher is MIT Press. The book is a well-written, plain language explanation of copyright law and the reasons behind the law. According to Mr. Strong, the Federal copyright statute protects "original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression, now known or later developed, from which they can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated, either directly or with the aid of a machine or a device." There are three criteria that must be met for something to be copyrightable: fixation, originality, and expression. Fixation is the act of putting something in a form in which others can perceive it. To be original, a work must be the product of the mind of the author (or minds of the authors). Finally, one can only copyright an expression of an idea, and not the idea itself. This all sounds simple enough, but it's not. There is the idea of a derivative work, which is one in which someone else's work is "recast, transformed, or adapted". According to Strong, "When a derivative work gets its own copyright, this copyright is limited, like all other copyrights, to whatever material is original with the creator." But he also says that "copyright in the expression of an idea will not be enforced so as to prevent other people from putting the idea to pratical use." I'm no lawyer, but my feeling after reading this book is that Apple might be able to patent some of the techniques they introduced in their user interfaces, but they can't copyright them. However, they can copyright particular screens and presentations. They could even copyright the order of operations that a program presents to the user. Even if DRI's interface doesn't look exactly like that of the Mac, Apple might claim that DRI's interface (screens and presentation, not the techniques involved) is derived from Apple's, and that DRI didn't get permission to copy the part of their interface that wasn't original. I haven't seen Gem or anything from Xerox PARC, but this is the only explanation I can think of from what I have heard so far. I have no idea whether Apple had to obtain copyright from Xerox to develop and market the Lisa and Macintosh systems; from what I have read, it seems that they copied a lot of the ideas but not the expressions of those ideas. -- Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.) "Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..." {amdahl, sun}!rtech!jeff {ucbvax, decvax}!mtxinu!rtech!jeff