Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site iham1.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!iham1!gjphw From: gjphw@iham1.UUCP (wyant) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: The Rock of Ages and the Ages of Rocks (Darwin) Message-ID: <467@iham1.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-Oct-85 17:44:13 EDT Article-I.D.: iham1.467 Posted: Wed Oct 16 17:44:13 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 18-Oct-85 00:22:18 EDT References: <430@imsvax.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 31 A brief comment concerning T. Holden's treatment of Darwinism: > ....Darwin based his theory of evolution on this concept, > because the notion of CATASTROPHIC evolution, or macro-evolution, > had not occured to him. He believed that huge time spans were > needed for any reasonable theory of evolution, and that the > standard creationist theories of HIS time didn't give him any > more than the 6000 or 7000 years which Bishop Usher and like > minded folk believed in. According to S. Gould (of Punctuated Equilibria fame), Darwin was advised by T.H. Huxley not to make any mention about the time scales required to realize evolution. Both a gradual or uniformitarian course and a catastrophic or sudden moments of evolution were considered. Huxley felt that there wasn't sufficient evidence to decide which way evolution proceeded, and Darwin would be putting forth an unsupportable hypothesis by suggesting a time scale along with the driving mechanisms for evolution (natural selection, competition for food and reproduction). Darwin decided to publish by attaching gradualism and uniformity to evolution in part because such concepts (gradualism and uniformity) were firmly rooted in the culture and religion of the times. The theory of evolution using punctuated equilibria would seem to be an updated and modified rendition of one possible evolutionary course that Darwin considered but then rejected. Patrick Wyant AT&T Bell Laboratories (Naperville, IL) *!ihwld!gjphw