Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: RE: Weird Science (response) Message-ID: <757@psivax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 29-Sep-85 16:52:06 EDT Article-I.D.: psivax.757 Posted: Sun Sep 29 16:52:06 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 7-Oct-85 03:14:35 EDT References: <45200019@hpfcms.UUCP> <1724@pyuxd.UUCP> <460@ecsvax.UUCP> <1753@pyuxd.UUCP> <470@ecsvax.UUCP> <1774@pyuxd.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 25 Summary: In article <1774@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes: > >> I said horrors committed IN THE NAME OF science can occur only >> when just such a view of science as yours is in operation. You >> see, I don't think science creates horrors any more than you >> do--I think that well-meaning people who bring their assumptions >> and expectations with them to the laboratory can easily claim >> outrageous things in the name of science UNLESS they make it a >> point to admit and recognize that any work they do is colored by >> their subjectivity. > >Then that's not science. So what are you arguing about? Hmm, then there is no such thing as science. I heve never yet met a scientist, no matter how great, who did *not* bring personnal preconceptions and prjudices into the lab. I do it, so do all the scientist I met, and learned to respect, at school. That is why I think claiming total objectivity for science is a sham. It attempts to reach that goal, but human responses prevent its ever being achieved. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) UUCP: {ttidca|ihnp4|sdcrdcf|quad1|nrcvax|bellcore|logico}!psivax!friesen ARPA: ttidca!psivax!friesen@rand-unix.arpa