Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-pbsvax!cooper From: cooper@pbsvax.DEC (Topher Cooper HLO2-3/M08 DTN225-5819) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Parapsychology Message-ID: <753@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Tue, 8-Oct-85 18:14:58 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.753 Posted: Tue Oct 8 18:14:58 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 11-Oct-85 06:42:28 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 55 >> Apparent paranormal phenomena has been elicited in the laboratory many >> (conservatively speaking, hundreds) times under conditions most scientists >> would consider highly rigorous, particularly if they were not informed that >> the experiment were a parapsychology experiment. > > The point is that conditions which are rigorous for an experiment > in the natural sciences are not rigorous enough for a parapsychology > experiment. Electrons cannot attempt to cheat or violate the experimental > conditions; people can, and they have been observed to do so in many > previous parapsychology experiments. This means that the experimental > conditions must be made much more rigorous than in other sciences (to > completely rule out the possibility of cheating.) > > David Moews > ...decvax!harvard!h-sc4!moews > moews%h-sc4@harvard.arpa It is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to be sure when dealing with "professional psychics" that no cheating is going on. Parapsychology has been aware of this for a long time: the Society for Psychical Research got into hot water with many of its financial backers (mostly Spiritualists) soon after it was founded in the 1880's. This was because they set up a policy of NOT investigating professional mediums because of the high risk of cheating. Although the Uri Gellers of the world get most of the publicity, only a very small percentage of the laboratory work has been with such people. Of course, non-professionals are perfectly capable of trying to cheat, and even of using fairly sophisticated techniques to do so. But such tests rarely depend on a single person or even a small group of people scoring high. Subjects are frequently gotten the same way as for psychology experiments: classes of undergraduate students, tested in class. High school students, grade school students, the experimenters themselves, and, of course, volunteers are also used. Still, one must take some care against fraud, but, this is not very difficult in a well designed experiment. The problems with professional psychics is that they have specific "claims" to be tested, and these claims, to a greater-or- lesser degree control the experimental situation. I agree, however: any scientific work with human subjects should include precautions against fraud; the temptation to pull a prank exists when there is no other motivation. It is foolish, however, to feel that it is ever possible to completely rule out possibility of cheating IN ANY experiment, even in the physical sciences: electrons cannot cheat but the janitor, lab technician or experimenter's spouse can. The motivation to cheat in parapsychological experiments with "unselected" subjects is not much (if any) higher than in any other field, and unlike other fields such precautions are taken. So in this limited sense the standards ARE more rigorous. Topher Cooper USENET: ...{allegra,decvax,ihnp4,ucbvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-pbsvax!cooper ARPA/CSNET: cooper%pbsvax.DEC@decwrl Disclaimer: This contains my own opinions, and I am solely responsible for them.