Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!ucdavis!ucbvax!ucbernie!tedrick From: tedrick@ucbernie.BERKELEY.EDU (Tom Tedrick) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Sc--nce Attack (self-awareness) Message-ID: <10642@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Mon, 14-Oct-85 02:53:09 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.10642 Posted: Mon Oct 14 02:53:09 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 15-Oct-85 07:35:06 EDT References: <45200016@hpfcms.UUCP> <1605@pyuxd.UUCP> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.ARPA Reply-To: tedrick@ucbernie.UUCP (Tom Tedrick) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 17 Keywords: Turing machines vs. the mind >Ie. maybe a Turing machine can simulate the brain, but ... OK, here is a question. My understanding is that Godel's incompleteness theorems prove (assuming the consistency of Arithmetic) that no Turing machine can possibly simulate the human mind. This is because for any particular Turing machine there are certain statements that the human mind can recognize as true (again with the consistency assumption), that the machine cannot recognize as true. Does anyone dispute this? -Tom tedrick@ucbernie.ARPA