Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site umich.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!mb2c!umich!torek From: torek@umich.UUCP (Paul V. Torek ) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Sc--nce Attack (self-awareness) Message-ID: <272@umich.UUCP> Date: Mon, 14-Oct-85 10:30:55 EDT Article-I.D.: umich.272 Posted: Mon Oct 14 10:30:55 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 15-Oct-85 20:33:34 EDT References: <45200016@hpfcms.UUCP> <1605@pyuxd.UUCP> Reply-To: torek@umich.UUCP (Paul V. Torek ) Organization: University of Michigan, EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 15 Keywords: Turing machines vs. the mind Summary: There may be problems with functionalism, but this isn't one of them In article <10642@ucbvax.ARPA> tedrick@ucbernie.UUCP (Tom Tedrick) writes: >...for any particular Turing machine there are certain >statements that the human mind can recognize as true (again with >the consistency assumption), that the machine cannot recognize >as true. > >Does anyone dispute this? Yes. If the human brain is essentially a Turing machine, then for any particular human (or group of them) there is at least one statement that he (they) cannot recognize as true. Not very earthshattering, given that there are probably lots of complex mathematical theorems which are true but which no human will ever recognize as true. --Paul V Torek torek@umich