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From: wasser@viking.DEC (John A. Wasser)
Newsgroups: net.physics
Subject: Magic Engine???  Probably not.
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Date: Mon, 14-Oct-85 10:28:14 EDT
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Posted: Mon Oct 14 10:28:14 1985
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>From: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!akgua!akgub!tulane!kpc
>Subject: Joseph Newman's Energy Machine
>
>...Joseph Newman ... has invented a motor that has a production efficiency
>of over 800% ...

>...this rather small (less than 2 feet high and 1 foot wide) device 
>consisting of over 200 pounds of copper wire ...
>
>The machine which I saw operate today used several lantern batteries
>for a power source... connected to the machine's output leads were a neon
>sign and about 12 fluorescent tubes (each 5 feet long).  
>When Newman threw the switch, the lights and sign started to blink on and 
>off... the only movement seen in the machine itself was a spark every 
>tenth of a second or so.

	A "motor" with no moving parts?  (Please note that the sparking
	implies a high voltage)

>Obviously, 12 fluorescent tubes cannot be powered by a few lantern 
>batteries
	
	Not obvious to me.  You can make a hell of a Tesla coil with
	200 pounds of copper.  Not only would it light up all the
	tubes and the neon sign but it would do so at a distance
	and not need wires.  I suspect that what the "motor" is
	doing is generating a high voltage that will ionize the
	gas in the gas discharge tubes and make them light up. This
	can easily be done with one lantern battery and an old Model-T
	Ford spark coil... but it wouldn't be as big and impressive as 
	200 pounds of copper wire.

>, and there was NO trickery to be seen... 

	Wrong!  There was no trickery SEEN!  There may have been
	trickery that was NOT SEEN (the most effective kind).
	Think about it... if no one detected trickery does it prove
	that there was none?

>it seems that the machine was actually putting out more energy than it 
>was taking in... 

	How much energy was it putting out?  Did you have a power meter
	attached?  How much energy was it taking in?  Once the "motor"
	was going, did Mr. Newman connect the output to the input and take
	away the battery?

>the energy being generated by the machine was coming directly for the 
>conversion of copper to energy (E=MC^2).  

	Did you check for the mass loss or were you taking the
	word of the inventor.  If his explanation is not correct,
	would you know it?  How can you know his explanation is
	correct?  (think about it)


>                                  Kevin P. Centanni
>                                  Dept. of Computer Science
>                                  Tulane University
>                                  New Orleans, Louisiana

		-John A. Wasser

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