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Subject: Exercise Caution
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Date: Tue, 8-Oct-85 18:06:59 EDT
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> = Don Black
>> = someone who's probably sick and tired of Don Black

>      Secondly, you're referring to the personality in Denver, I believe, who
> was murdered by a common criminal.  This particular criminal happened to
> attend a service at the Church of Christ in LaPorte, Colorado, on the
> occasion of a special visit by Pastor Jack Mohr.  Traditionally, when a
> Christian attends a service at a church other than his own, it is a courtesy
> to sign the guest book.  It happens that this criminal-type signed the guest
> book at the church.  He was not seen at the church prior to the special
> service, nor was he seen again afterward.

>> And if you say that IC's didn't murder him, then you're a liar again because
>> it's well known that the murderers were IC's.

>      It's a well-known "fact" spread by the Anti-Defamation League.  Anything
> the League publishes is true, don't you know?

Don, its interesting here how you spin your tale.  The account you gave of
the murder above differs quite strongly with the one distributed to 
and through every news agency, and I'm reasonably certain that ADL hasn't
got such a stranglehold on the media.  Without saying the words you're
doing your best at denying the fact that the Christian Identity had anything
to do with the murder of Alan Berg, even though the FBI would strongly 
disagree.  What's the extreme right version of the little episode
when the FBI finally tracked that little sect down with their cache of
arms.  Another  JDL/ADL myth, perhaps?

In case you hadn't noticed everytime you air your alleged facts they're
quickly shot down by people who take each individual idea you have and
shoot it full of holes.  Then you change fronts.  If you're
keeping score out there: 

1. The holocaust DID occur.

2. The Christian Identity has so many holes in its basic tenets that
   the rest of the United States, if not the world has been wondering
   about the sanity of its members.

3. The state of Israel exists and it has as much right to exist as
   the United States does.

Don, you're current "enemy" is the JDL and you seem to be forever
wondering why the rest of the country isn't up in arms.  Could it
be that they aren't such a threat, that they're really not as prevelant
as your hate literature tells you they are?  What it comes down to
is that your doing your best to link Jews with evil and you (and the
rest of your political bedfellows) must be very frustrated by now 
that no one believes you, least of all the media (except for your
own).

> ...The main problem is that Identity Christians are gradually and
> steadily undermining the myth of the Holocaust.  And without the Holocaust,
> the Israeli UN Protectorate has no reason to be protected.

See number 3 above.  Note that Don once again has no facts present.

>      I notice also in this article the writer is running out of logical
> arguments against Christian Identity.  I say this because he repeatedly says
> "You're a liar!  You're a liar!"  Ad Hominems rather than cold, hard logic and
> fact.

I've seen enough facts and cold, hard logic to entirely discredit
your attempt at rewriting history.  The writer who called you a liar
probably got tired of beating a dead horse.

Alright readers, now read the following words and just substitute the
obvious religion in and imagine Dan Rather discussing Jesse Helms.

>      The fact is their is one particular group in this country who is
> advocating religious tolerance from one side of their mouths, while practicing
> religious bigotry on the other side.  The fact is that this particular group
> desires nothing more than to have ALL religion driven from community life,
> from family life, from the school environment, from the government
> environment.  They want nothing but secular atheism taught and practiced.  The
> concept of a Higher Authority is completely alien to them.  The fact is that
> Christian, Jew, and Moslem alike have the right to resist this movement, by
> any means necessary.

>      The fact is that this particular group cannot tolerate exposure or
> criticism.  They cannot even stand legitimate commentary.  Those who do dare
> to take a stand against them are branded as liars or worse (as you can see).
> But that's all right.  It's to be expected.  And in doing so, they only expose
> themselves for what they are.

There is probably no hope of ever curing the delusions that Don Black
suffers from, but always remember that it is best not to ignore or
censor his paranoia.  He gets a lot of mileage from claiming he's
right by citing ad hominem arguments and therefore totally ignoring
the facts which thoroughly discredit him.  One shouldn't open up this
door of opportunity for him.

		Daniel Schneider
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