Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-pundit!black From: black@pundit.DEC (America first, without apologies.) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: One for our side Message-ID: <973@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Tue, 22-Oct-85 14:14:55 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.973 Posted: Tue Oct 22 14:14:55 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 23-Oct-85 20:16:16 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 104 >Subject: Re: State Terrorism (Extradition for What?) >Posted: 17 Oct 85 01:54:48 GMT > >> > an act of "state terrorism" by the US Government? By the US legal >> > system, these people were guilty of NO crimes, yet were adbucted >> > without the due process of the law being followed. Yes, they were. Piracy, kidnapping, assault, battery, and murder are the same in everybody's lawbook. Only the penalty differs. >> >> try them under local law. But I don't understand what legal basis >> Mr. Reagan could have for extradition of the hijackers to the U.S. I believe you're correct there. The incidents took place on a vessel of Italian registry, in Egyptian waters. Italy and Egypt share jurisdiction, even though an American citizen was murdered. Oleg Kiselev writes: >I have no love for Arabs in general... I fail to see what's so bad about Arabs in general. Prejudice isn't authorized. >or Palestinian terrorists in particular. Amen. >But isn't it an act of piracy by US to force down a plane over the international >waters? From what I know US had no warrant for the arrest of the hijackers, or >even a firm knowledge of their presence on the plane! The US fighter pilots were justified in their acts. If nothing else, they made a Citizens' Arrest of persons for which there was probable cause that they committed a felony crime. How did the pilots know the criminals were on board? Simple. They were tipped off by an informant, a procedure recognized by the courts as giving sufficient probable cause. A warrant is not necessary in a Citizen's Arrest. >The proper steps would be : > 1) Locate the body of the man killed by hijackers. Done. > 2) prove beyond any reasonable doubt the palestinians had commited a > murder. To be done by a court, not by the arresting authorities. > 3) await (and help with) the trial of hijackers by PLO; > 4) petition with Tunisia (?) and PLO for their extradition. Be serious. >I don't think any of these steps are realisticly possible. 1 and 2 obviously are. >And I think the only >thing better than force-landing the Egiptian plane would have been a commando >raid on the ship while it was still in the hands of terrorists. I suspect it probably was in the works. But a vessel is difficult at best to assault with any degreee of surprise, particularly when it is underway. Unless, of course, you propose nailing it with a torpedo. These terrorists are getting smarter and smarter. And they're going for larger, more difficult targets. What would have slowed them down is a contingent of Marines on the ship to begin with. But some things are just not practical. >But as it is -- US is in the wrong, ... Isn't that always the case? People cluck their tongues because a bunch of criminals commit piracy, kidnapping, assault and battery, murder, etc. Then when the US uses its power to bring the perpetrators to justice, the US gets defecated on. I guess you can't please everybody. >and I'd love to hear what the Soviets ar going to say about >all of this! Apparently somebody is using their people as targets, too. --Don Black "...dec-vax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-pundit!black" VAXmail: PUNDIT::BLACK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "...the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that dis- regards the Eternal Order of Rules and Right, which Heaven itself has ordained." --George Washington, First Inaugural Address, 1789 ================================================================================ Posted: Tue 22-Oct-1985 10:10 To: ROLL::RHEA::DECWRL::"net.politics"