Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site umich.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!mb2c!umich!torek From: torek@umich.UUCP (Paul V. Torek ) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Logic, fact, preference, and social Message-ID: <268@umich.UUCP> Date: Fri, 11-Oct-85 11:47:43 EDT Article-I.D.: umich.268 Posted: Fri Oct 11 11:47:43 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 14-Oct-85 04:40:35 EDT References: <234@umich.UUCP> <28200162@inmet.UUCP> Reply-To: torek@eecs.UUCP (Paul V. Torek ) Organization: University of Michigan, EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 28 Summary: Yes, but... In article <28200162@inmet.UUCP> janw@inmet.UUCP writes: >...The fact that >following a principle (in this case non-coercion) sometimes >yields a sub-optimal solution in particular situations does *not* >make that principle unacceptable to any rational person. A ra- >tional person would consider the alternatives: (1) following >another principle - which might sometimes yield even worse solu- >tions or (2) calculating benefits case by case - which is >uneconomical, and also (very important) makes one susceptible to >irrational biases and temptations of the moment; a principle em- >bodied in habit is a safeguard. That's a fair point, but it only applies to "low-level" principles, the criteria directly used in acting, and not to "high-level" ones like SOME libertarians say the principle of non-coercion is. Some libertarians would argue that (2) should not even be considered, and it was them I was concerned to argue against. In any case, (2) is the superior choice in this case because the benefits to be gotten by abandoning the non-coercion principle in free rider situations are enormous. But also, on a more abstract level, the problems that libertarian principles generate in free-rider situations are *symptomatic* of a deeper flaw, namely that they are divorced from considerations of human benefit and harm in an unhealthy way. (I know that's vague, but I think anyone not firmly in the grip of an ideology will see what I'm getting at.) --Iconbusters, Inc. "We make flames the old-fashioned way -- we EARN it"