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From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz)
Newsgroups: net.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Re: (micromotives & macrobehavior)
Message-ID: <793@cybvax0.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 22-Oct-85 11:54:05 EDT
Article-I.D.: cybvax0.793
Posted: Tue Oct 22 11:54:05 1985
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In article <790@x.UUCP> wjr@x.UUCP (STella Calvert) writes:
> In article <770@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes:
> >Terrorism isn't the only use of nuclear attack.  If your existence is of
> >negative utility to me (perhaps you compete), then I have plenty of 
> >motivation to want to nuke you.  
> 
> If most of the people in libertaria do not share my attitude toward coercion,
> then I will be living in the United Statists of America.  

With that sort of attitude, what's to prevent libertaria from being overrun
by coercive interlopers who transform it into yet another coercive state?
Most libertarians try to show how their society would be stable, rather than
show how they would abandon it at the first sign of strain.

> If I am (was :-( ) living in libertaria, you will be recognized as a threat 
> and negatively reinforced for your coercion.

After coercion, it is too late.  You've been nuked.  Unless you have left
behind some furies or organized system of vendetta that can identify and
counter-coerce, your interests are lost.  That's what our current system
does right now.

> Of course, there is still the problem of the anonymous terrorist, but statists
> don't seem to have a solution either.  Any ideas on that one?  We need it
> before we build libertaria or anarchia.

Statists do have a solution: massive espionage organizations like the FBI,
CIA, NSC, state and local police (in our government alone) that help unveil
the anonymous.  These could be performed by independent private agencies,
but that libertarian scheme has a major drawback.  Current government agencies
are (at least titularly) answerable to and assigned responsibilities and goals
by higher levels of government, rather than by themselves.  Under a libertarian
system, what would prevent the positive feedback of such an organization
attaining power and information by coercion, and thus re-establishing
coercive rule?
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Mike Huybensz		...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh