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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
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Subject: Re: The true God lives in the real
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Date: Sat, 12-Oct-85 13:45:42 EDT
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>> 	But this still doesn't say that humanity is *by* *nature*
>> wicked, only that at that particular time essentially all men were
>> *acting* wickedly.

> But how much deeper can one go than every thought and intent of your heart?

Maybe every thought and intent of YOUR heart, bucko!  PLEASE don't be
so damned presumptuous as to claim that because YOU feel your innards to
be naturally evil that everyone else IS the way you feel you are.  Really,
is this the reason for the Christian movement towards moral imposition:  that
we are dealing with people who essentially feel themselves to be hideously
evil and thus assume that everyone else is, too, thus "requiring" that
society have stringent restrictions to protect us from those who don't
"recognize" that they are evil the way these good people (?) do?  What
a revolting self-debasing philosophy!

> I think a problem
> I have in discussing this issue is that I'm not concerned with the nature of
> man.  I'm convinced that free-will exists and that men choose to do evil.  
> What that's a formula for or what you want to call that (original sin, sin 
> nature, etc.) doesn't make any difference to me.

Nothing like working from unfounded assumptions...

> You talk about man being a product or at least somewhat reflecting a fallen
> world, and my answer to that is get the order straight.  Man fell, taking
> the world down with him.  And I think that that's the way it is today.  
> Although I do get angry about boneheaded science professors who use their
> position and authority (and not accurate information) to impose their beliefs
> on students,

But seemingly less angry about your own beliefs that we "are" evil (because
you say so) being foisted upon the rest of us.  Doesn't that strike you as
equally "boneheaded"?
-- 
Anything's possible, but only a few things actually happen.
					Rich Rosen    pyuxd!rlr