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From: slg@ukma.UUCP (Sean Gilley)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Unprovable ideas in science and God
Message-ID: <2294@ukma.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 16-Oct-85 10:26:13 EDT
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Posted: Wed Oct 16 10:26:13 1985
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Organization: U of Kentucky, Mathematical Sciences, Lexington KY
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Keywords: Black holes, Creationism, Evolution

>From rochester!ray
>
>> Mr. Barry forgot to add that creationism is *NOT* information. It's not even
>> science. It's an unprovable idea.
>> 
>> 				Chris Young.
>
>Black holes up there or down there in outer space cannot absolutely be proven.
>But no one denies the right to teach about the possibilities of the existence
>of black holes.  It is also not clear that the existence of black holes can
>ever be proven.  What we do see is the effect of not the direct observance
>of what might be black holes.  To draw parallels, what we observe in nature
>is not necessarily God, but the effect God has had on nature, namely, creation-
>ism.
>
>I rest my case.

If you are trying to say that just because we cannot prove or disprove
something, does not mean it is not science, I'll go along with you.

However.  I see nothing in nature or science that points to a God existing.
Unlike other ideas that may be ``unprovable'', where we see effects pointing
towards a certain fact, what points to a God existing?  Creationism?  From
what I know of Creationism, it denies these things we scientists have come
to think of as `facts'.  (Not to say scientists haven't been wrong before.)
It denies that evolution takes place, and evolution is not an unprovable
idea.. it exists, and has been seen by observation.  I will grant that we
can't prove that humans evolved from some life form a couple million years
ago,  but have you seen creationism proved by observation any time recently?

						Sean.



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