Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site topaz.RUTGERS.EDU Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!lll-crg!seismo!caip!topaz!SBALZAC%YKTVMX.BITNET From: SBALZAC%YKTVMX.BITNET@UCB-VAX.Berkeley.EDU Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: Amber Message-ID: <3928@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Sun, 6-Oct-85 15:47:52 EDT Article-I.D.: topaz.3928 Posted: Sun Oct 6 15:47:52 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 8-Oct-85 07:28:50 EDT Sender: daemon@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 25 From: Stephen Balzac Here's a bit more fuel for the fire: Given that Luke/Rinaldo is Brand's son, when did he ever take the pattern (remember, whatever powers he has over shadow are dependent upon taking the pattern before they'll work)? He clearly couldn't have taken it during Nine Princes, Guns, or Unicorn since Brand was imprisoned and couldn't have brought him there in the first place. Now, after Brand was brought back, when did he have the chance to bring Rinaldo to Amber to take the pattern? And even if he did, why wasn't he helping his father afterward? Besides, the implication is that Rinaldo wasn't even around when all this was taking place, since he makes some comment to Merlin about being off in Shadow when Brand died. He could have come by the Black Road, but that would mean that he had some sort of deal with the Courts of Chaos, in which case why didn't Merlin know anything about him? Merlin did grow up there after all... And finally, if Rinaldo had taken the Pattern before "Nine Princes" why didn't he 1) Rescue his father, or at least try? or 2) help him out later? About Corwin's insanity: remember that Merlin said that the Lorgus drives one temporarily insane. Could Corwin have taken the Lorgus...?