Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 (Tek) 9/28/84 based on 9/17/84; site shark.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!orca!shark!hutch From: hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: Re: Amber Message-ID: <1588@shark.UUCP> Date: Sun, 20-Oct-85 07:09:05 EDT Article-I.D.: shark.1588 Posted: Sun Oct 20 07:09:05 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 22-Oct-85 05:48:39 EDT References: <4015@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU> <282@fear.UUCP> Reply-To: hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville OR Lines: 28 Summary: In article <282@fear.UUCP> robert@fear.UUCP (Robert Plamondon) writes: >In article <4015@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU>, SBALZAC%YKTVMX.BITNET@UCB-VAX.Berkeley.EDU writes: > >> Someone brought up the point that Rinaldo could have walked Corwin's >> pattern and then destroyed it. First of all, to walk Corwin's pattern >> supposedly requires being of Corwin's blood (ie his descendant), in >> which catagory only Merlin falls. > >Why assume that Rinaldo walked the pattern at all? If my memory >serves me, he is never shown walking through Shadow; he draws Trumps >and uses them instead. Trumps can be drawn by people who have never >walked the Pattern -- Merlin drew a number of Trumps while still at >the Courts of Chaos (see The Courts of Chaos, Chapter 1). >-- > Robert Plamondon Sorry, but at that time Merlin was an Initiate of the Logrus. I suspect from hints in Courts of Chaos that a Trump is impossible without intimate knowledge of the Pattern or the Logrus, and that Rinaldo may be an Initiate. It may also be that there are other ways to become a shadow walker, perhaps by using a magic ring or some such thing? In any case, Rinaldo shadow-walks in pursuit of Merlin (ok, so anyone can shadow walk by following a true Shadowwalker). But Rinaldo also draws trumps of places prepared as traps, and this indicates that he can find or create things in Shadow. I suspect he would have to get there somehow to do the trump; Merlin seems to have this limitation. Hutch