Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rochester.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!qantel!dual!vecpyr!lll-crg!gymble!umcp-cs!seismo!rochester!ray From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Name Changes ("traditions that have evolved" disappearing) Message-ID: <12074@rochester.UUCP> Date: Fri, 4-Oct-85 16:30:17 EDT Article-I.D.: rocheste.12074 Posted: Fri Oct 4 16:30:17 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 7-Oct-85 05:31:10 EDT References: <5211@elsie.UUCP> <11302@rochester.UUCP> Organization: U. of Rochester, CS Dept. Lines: 111 Stuwit gabs: > Hey everybody!! A net.shouting-match between a real-live authoritarian > patriarch (Frankie) and a snarling, unruly she-devil of a (GASP!) > independent woman. > Independent from what? The orange you ate this morning was picked in California, processed for shipping and transported 3000 miles to your local grocer. Just to eat that orange made you dependent on a whole system designed to make you VERY dependent. If you really are serious about being independent you'll have to prove it by living out in the sticks, growing your own food, chopping your own fire wood using a stone axe that you've made, and building by yourself a dwelling from primitive tools and materials you've fashioned. You'll most likely need a 'ahem' man to help you. After all, being truly independ can be hard work. > >> Stuwit gabs: > >> Hey, what's wrong with divorce????!!!! If it weren't for the > >> time-honored social contract of divorce, I'd still be MARRIED!! Yuk-ola!! > >> > > Frankie say: > > > >Ask your kids. > > Stuwit gabs: > All of my children AND GRANDCHILDREN approve of my lifestyle > and marital status. Do yours? > Congradulations, you're a liberated grandma, big deal. > Frankie say, > >> >I choose to ride the train of values and tradition because I can at least > >> >have some perspective about it's destination, if you want, you have the > >> >choice of riding an untested, untried vehicle going only to God knows where. > Stuwit gabs: > >> Scaredy-cat, scaredy-cat! Better to live a life millions have > >> already lived, rather than your own, huh? DARE to be boring!!! > > Frankie say, > >I'm more an individual than people like you who are sucked along with the > >currents and don't have a damn thing to hang onto. > > > Stuwit gabs: > Look Bub, I hang onto cold hard cash and red hot men (and a certain > of legal permutation thereof). If you don't like it, then I'll tell you > what: there's a "train of values and tradition" leaving at 7:14 EMT. > Be under it. > Bub says: If your the typical ___________ driver (fill in the gender), then most likely you will run me over with your train. Stuwit gabs: > >> >> Wake up -- you are living in a changing world. > > Frankie say, > >> >Changing to what?You assume all change is for the best or just best for you? > > >> Stuwit gabs: > >> Changes are happening whether you like it or not. > >> If you don't wake up to the changes, you won't survive > >> the changes. Face it: some social institutions are > >> dinosaurs, changing too slowly to keep up. > >> Some are Irish Elk, changing too fast and for the wrong > >> reasons. Don't look here for the answers! You > >> don't even know how to ask a question! > Dinosaurs lasted about 200 million years, don't knock'em, we've only been been around a few million. And most likely if were not careful, we will be gone very soon. > Frankie say, > >Again, change to what? Just because you find change is good for you does > >not mean it is good for everyone. Wake up and realize that small tidbit > >of info, well you? I must ask this; aren't you just somewhat self-serving > >here, hoping that by change you will realize some goal that is good for you > >but has no real impact on the rest of us? If this is the case then good > >for you, I hope you realize your goals. In this case, change can be good > >for you and totally indifferent to me. > Stuwit gabs: > An environmental change that I can adapt to (and that you can't) is good for me > (and my kids) -- and bad for you (and your kids, unless they're smart > enough to rebel). Of course I'm self-serving. Whom would you rather > I serve? Some MAN? Gag me with a glass slipper! Oh, barf! > > So what's the score? Patriarchs 3, She-devils 6? Let's let > the audience decide!!! > > "Go away or I will taunt you a second time!" > > Cheryl Stewart Environmental change ?!!! What the hell are you preparing for, another ice age? Self-serving? What we have here is a genuine 'ME' person. I'm a 'ME' person too, I would rather be 'ME' than 'YOU'. What we also have here is an apparent man hater who 'gulp' eats glass slippers, sounds kind of kinky any way you look at it. bye bye birdie, the weekend is here and I think I'll go on the hunt, foxes everywhere you know.