Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sabre.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!tll From: tll@sabre.UUCP (Trudy Leonhard) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Masculinity/Femininity, baths, and conforming Message-ID: <755@sabre.UUCP> Date: Mon, 7-Oct-85 11:30:03 EDT Article-I.D.: sabre.755 Posted: Mon Oct 7 11:30:03 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 8-Oct-85 04:24:33 EDT References: <248@ssc-vax.UUCP> <1944@reed.UUCP> <32@ubc-cs.UUCP> <574@unisoft.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Bellcore, Red Bank ,NJ ) Lines: 33 I wanted to reply to "when do you feel most feminine/masculine" etc. I feel feminine when... I'm in the woods and I have to go to the bathroom... I see little boys that are holy terrors ( aggressive) and relatively pacifist little girls... I see older boys who fight with fists and their female peers fight with nails,teeth, pull hair - anything is fair.... I look in the mirror... A pregnant woman walks by... I finally find a public restroom and there is no toilet paper and they use air dryers for your hands... I hold a man in my arms and feel his hard body against my soft one... I feel like I need to cry so I do... I challenge a male friend to an arm wrestling match and lose (some people never learn)... When a male friend opens up to me and I know he couldn't do that if I was male... I can give my mom a big hug and nobody can lift up their eyebrow and go hmmm, obviously an outward manisfestation of the oedipus complex...:-) There are few other times I "feel" feminine. I'm Trudy and it's much more important for me to "feel" most like Trudy. It's not too surprising that women state they feel most feminine when they do the things that they've been taught all their lives are what make up femininity. Being a product of this society, I'M certainly not excluded from such feelings. What bothers me is when my femininity is foisted upon me - especially when it's sombody else's definition of what is feminine. Trudy