Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 alpha 4/15/85; site fear.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!greipa!pesnta!amd!amdcad!cae780!weitek!fear!robert From: robert@fear.UUCP (Robert Plamondon) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: \"Traditional Values\" Message-ID: <281@fear.UUCP> Date: Tue, 15-Oct-85 16:20:55 EDT Article-I.D.: fear.281 Posted: Tue Oct 15 16:20:55 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 17-Oct-85 20:55:48 EDT References: <828@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: Weitek Corp. Sunnyvale Ca. Lines: 72 Summary: When were the good old days, anyway? In article <828@decwrl.UUCP>, dyer@vaxuum.DEC (People 'R' People) writes: > In general, the traditional marriage benefits the husband > much more than the wife, and the results can be seen when one sees > mental health statistics in relation to sex and marriage: married > men (in general) enjoy the best mental health and married women > (in general) enjoy the worst mental health [3]. Of course, those statistics reflect recent times. In the more distant past, the situation is less clear. Would you: a) choose a lifetime of backbreaking labor, conscription, and financial troubles, or b) choose a lifetime of constant light work and death in childbirth?, or c) Noooooooooo, Mr. Wizard! I don't want to be a peasant no more! It's only in the 20th century that there was any point arguing the case. Even then, traditional marriages held together as long as housekeeping was a full-time job, and the husband worked long hours, six days a week. Before World War II, housework took an immense amount of time. Laundry was line-dried and hand-ironed. Frozen food hadn't caught on yet, so shopping was more frequent, and pre-packaged stuff wasn't available. Cooking took a lot of time, too. Go back a few more decades, and you lose time-savers like the washing machine, the refrigerator, the electric iron, and the gas or electric range, complicating and lengthening housework. Add epidemics, lack of personal transportation, no birth control, and a lower general standard of living. Get the idea? "Man works from sun to sun, but a woman's work is never done." Okay, so we know where the wife is. What's the husband doing? He's working 10-12 hour days, SIX days a week; that's what he's doing. In his "spare time" he does the heavy work around the house, takes the kids to ball games, and the usual stereotypical stuff. How can a marriage like this fall apart? Husband and wife never SEE each other! Besides, he NEEDS her -- he can't possibly find the time to do his own laundry, let alone cooking and cleaning. She needs him, too, since she can't hold down a household and a job at once, either. In those days, marriage was NECESSARY. The alternatives were few; staying with relatives who would serve the same economic function as a spouse, living in an environment where services were provided (rooming houses, the Army, monastaries in Tibet), and being rich enough to hire servants. Once the work week was shortened, and labor-saving methods got into high gear, marriage was no longer necessary. And when something isn't necessary, people will choose not to do it, or abandon it when it turns sour. Want to go back to the good old days? First, pick a date ("Set the date on the wayback machine, Sherman." "Sure thing, Mr. Peabody!"). Try to find a year without major epidemics, race riots, wars, and such to mar the effect (good luck). Before doing anything rash, though, post the date, and your reasons for choosing it to the net. We'll all enjoy it. Anyway, then go about eliminating all the evil influences that came into effect after that date (ragtime music, zoot suits, flower power, black athletes, rumble seats, Madonna), and you'll re-create the Golden Age. It's funny, though, how people who lived in the Golden Age never seemed to notice. -- Robert Plamondon {turtlevax, resonex, cae780}!weitek!robert