Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site hplabsc.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!lsuc!pesnta!hplabsc!ishizaki From: ishizaki@hplabsc.UUCP (Audrey Ishizaki) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Re: A flash from the (recent) past. Message-ID: <2771@hplabsc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 24-Oct-85 12:31:41 EDT Article-I.D.: hplabsc.2771 Posted: Thu Oct 24 12:31:41 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 25-Oct-85 01:26:48 EDT References: <742@decwrl.UUCP> <5751@tekecs.UUCP> <1171@rayssd.UUCP> <1231@vax1.fluke.UUCP> Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA Lines: 41 Regarding the Playboy Mensa pictorial: > Heather, this brings up an interesting point. The women pictured in this > particular feature are obviously intelligent. It seems likely that they > are not particularly desperate for money. Why did they pose? Of course > they did get paid, and it was very easy money, maybe even fun. But they > most obviously do not feel that nude ,or semi-nude, pictures of them > demean them, let alone demeaning women as a whole. (Remember, I'm assuming > these women are intelligent and wouldn't purposely demean themselves) There was an article in the local San Jose Mercury News about one of the women pictured in the Playboy pictorial who lives/works locally. She is the head chef in a local restaurant. She wanted to do the Playboy pictorial to help free the stereotype that smart women are ugly, dumpy, and wear thick glasses. Or, conversely, that because women are attractive, they cannot also be intelligent. There may have been other reasons, too, but this is the one I recall. Her family (husband, parents, in-laws) were very supportive. She said she wasn't sure if her mother was proud of her for doing the pictorial or because she appeared on Donahue because of it. She said the Donahue show was surprisingly controversial (the premise was almost discarded because it was not deemed controversial enough) though there was little else said about it. Obviously women do not agree on what constitutes pornography. From the little I have seen of Playboy, it is definitely not in the same class as violent "pornography" or kiddie-porn. I do not take the view that soft-core porn leads to violence against women. Audrey Ishizaki HPlabs -- audrey k. ishizaki Hplabs Palo Alto, CA ------------------------------------------------------------ csnet: ishizaki%hplabs@csnet-relay.csnet arpanet: ishizaki%hplabs@csnet-relay.arpa usenet: {allegra,decvax,Shasta,ucbvax}!hplabs!ishizaki ------------------------------------------------------------ of course, HP is not responsible for anything I post.