Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ecsvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!mcnc!ecsvax!bet From: bet@ecsvax.UUCP (Bennett E. Todd III) Newsgroups: net.news Subject: Re: c*nc*l <148@psueea.UUCP> and many others Message-ID: <721@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 8-Nov-85 15:04:56 EST Article-I.D.: ecsvax.721 Posted: Fri Nov 8 15:04:56 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 13-Nov-85 07:40:54 EST References: <134@desint.UUCP> <5667@amdcad.UUCP> <386@wuphys.UUCP> Reply-To: duccpc!bet@ecsvax.UUCP (Bennett E. Todd III) Distribution: net Organization: Duke University Computation Center Lines: 47 In article <5667@amdcad.UUCP> phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) writes: > ... However, I'm glad it's being done and I hope it continues. If the >person doing it would step forward, I'd praise him/her. Mark Flynn (mff@wuphys) replied: >Aren't you in the least bit interested in what the offending articles >contained? Shouldn't you be upset at this wanton disregard for net rules? and Ken Arnold (arnold@ucsfcgl) stated: >How do you know? Maybe the articles that were being deleted were the >kind *you* think belong on net.sources. Did you see them before they >were cancelled? > >If the person doing it would step forward, I'd favor cutting of their >net privileges. Of course, that's what I favor anyway... This isn't a straightforward question. According to conventions of proper, responsible behavior on USENET, Ken is justified in his vehement response. If people behaved properly and responsibly, then all would be well. Unfortunately, the vast majority of postings in net.sources don't belong there; net.news.group has vetoed net.sources.d (BIG mistake); USEnetters are consistently ignoring the rules for posting to net.sources, and DAMNall can be done about it. It has been discussed, repeatedly. Noone approves of removing net.sources in favor of mod.sources; there is no mechanism in place for controlling inappropriate postings in net.sources; people continue to ignore the rules. I am inclined to assume that whoever decided to censor net.sources simply cancelled discussions taking place there; I don't think (s)he would be inclined to cancel sources, because I don't see this as vandalism. I have gotten a look at quite a few of the articles that were clobbered, and they are all completely inappropriate for net.sources. Inasmuch as there is NO way to get the mob of jabbering idiots to behave themselves, or to approve any mechanism of enforcement, I applaud the actions of whoever it was originating the Cancel messages -- and I sincerely wish (s)he would resume, as net.sources has resumed being an awful mess. I also approved of the subway vigalante, for the same reasons. When a society is unable to control a destructive abuse, I approve of responsible individuals taking the law into their own hands. -Bennett Todd -- "Hypocrisy is the vaseline of social intercourse." (Who said that?) Bennett Todd -- Duke Computation Center, Durham, NC 27706-7756; (919) 684-3695 UUCP: ...{decvax,seismo,philabs,ihnp4,akgua}!mcnc!ecsvax!duccpc!bet