Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site peora.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!petsd!peora!jer From: jer@peora.UUCP (J. Eric Roskos) Newsgroups: net.mail Subject: Re: More thoughts on mail relays Message-ID: <1790@peora.UUCP> Date: Thu, 14-Nov-85 14:08:55 EST Article-I.D.: peora.1790 Posted: Thu Nov 14 14:08:55 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 16-Nov-85 08:50:35 EST References: <1813@umcp-cs.UUCP> <1746@peora.UUCP> <909@plus5.UUCP> <1761@peora.UUCP> <322@ncr-sd.UUCP> Organization: CONCURRENT Computer SDC, Orlando, Fl. Lines: 38 [Due to some problems with long text lines in the message I am replying to, I can't include the article being commented on here. See the references.] Thank you for commenting on my discussion of routing languages. After discussing the lack of progress on this subject with an epistemologist over the weekend, I have come to realize that no more progress in this discussion can be made simply because, whereas I recognize the points you are making, you refuse to acknowledge mine, and thus nothing I can say will change your mind. In particular, you have simply reiterated once again the old objection to having an "@" in the path, which is founded in the unwillingness to acknowledge the fine distinctions I have been trying for months to point out. Go read some of Aho and Ullman's texts on formal language theory instead, and think about the relative complexity of different classes of grammars. Regarding your saying that what I had implemented was not what you wanted, actually it is exactly what you wanted, but your feeling that it is not is again founded in this same dilemma. If the UUCP network were a more sophisticated communications network, it would be readily apparent that the distinction between the transport-level protocols and the applications protocols in the user agent was a necessary one; however, the relative simplicity of UUCP makes it easy in this network to integrate together some few transport mechanisms. In a more sophisticated network, this muddying of the layers is not so easy to accomplish, and the confusion that now exists could not have arisen. I've said enough on a topic that is only of theoretical interest, so I hope the above is sufficiently devoid of new material to discourage any further debate at this time; our concepts of what constitute the "Truth" on this issue are simply too disjoint to allow any further discussion. -- Shyy-Anzr: J. Eric Roskos, Ph.D. @ CONCURRENT Computer (A Perkin-Elmer Co.) UUCP: Ofc: ..!{decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!vax135!petsd!peora!jer Home: ..!{decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!vax135!petsd!peora!jerpc!jer US Mail: MS 795; CONCURRENT Computer Corp. SDC; 2486 Sand Lake Road, Orlando, FL 32809-7642