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From: danny@nvzg2.UUCP (Danny Zerkel)
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Subject: Re: Re: UNIX for the Mac? (Go ahead, laugh...)
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Date: Fri, 6-Dec-85 09:19:08 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec  6 09:19:08 1985
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> I guess that if you take a mouse (rodent type) and put on an elephant's
> trunk, and an elephant's ears, and an elephant's tail, and an elephant's
> body, and an elephant's size, you would finally end up with a squeaking 
> pachyderm!

And, who's to say that you aren't just a mouse in human clothes?  But how
would we know?  Would you know?  Would it matter?  I would almost bet
that most people would (and do) treat you like a human, even if you were
(or are) a mouse.

> Yes, folks, eventually, you MIGHT be able to port UNIX to the Mac, but it
> would take so many hardware kluges which ar NOT supported by Apple that it
> would hardly be a viable product. As a rule, third party developers do not
> rely on each others' hardware. Perhaps the only exception I know about is
> the Z80 softcard for the Apple II from Microsoft. (Besides the generic CP/M
> software, a handfull of programs were written especially for this 
> configuration.) The changes you suggest all
> require additions to an (undocumented) motherboard which Apple may feel
> perfectly free to change in the future.

Yes, folks, eventually, someone WILL port UNIX to the Mac (if that's what
they want, or think they want), but it will take an innovative SOFTware
design that would need no hardware kludges.  Just because you don't have
the "innovative software design" doesn't mean it is not possible.
If computers were only capable of doing the obvious things, no one would
be more than mildly interested in them.

> Just because the Mac has a 68K doesn't mean that it can (or should) run UNIX.

Just because the Mac has a cpu means it can (and perhaps will) run UNIX.
If it is possible to run UNIX on an IBM PC, why not on a Mac?  If it is
possible (and it is) to run UNIX on a PDP-11/20 with no memory management,
56KB of memory and 2.5MB of disk, then why not on a Mac?  The only
thing you need is a hard disk (no hardware mods).  It would be easier with
512KB, but 128KB might work.  [For those who don't believe this, the
PDP-11/20 MiniUnix kernel was 24KB!, leaving 32KB for programs.]  The only
thing you really need large amounts of memory for is sophistation and
blinding speed [eg., Amdahls and Crays running UTS and COS].

Of course, this doesn't mean it is a good idea.  I like the ideas that
have been implemented in the Mac, especially resources.  Combine the
Mac concepts with the Unix concepts and run it on a Cray, that's what
I want!  I have a feeling that other people wouldn't mind either.

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										 Danny J. Zerkel
                                         (no relation)

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