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Subject: Re: Re.Re. Gettin' Satisfaction, a rebuttal
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Date: Sun, 17-Nov-85 22:18:53 EST
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>                    THERE ARE TOO MANY OTHERWISE FINE YOUNG (AND NOT SO YOUNG)
> MEN AND WOMEN OUT THERE WHO ARE BEING SOLD A BILL OF GOODS ABOUT 'LIFESTYLE'
> AND 'SEXUAL PREFERENCE' AND CRAP LIKE THAT WHEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO STAND UP AND
> SAY 'THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES' - HOMOSEXUALITY IS SECOND CLASS, DESTRUCTIVE
> EMOTIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY (I'm not talking religiously here) AND CAUSES THE
> HOMOSEXUAL TO MISS A GREATER PART OF HUMAN FULFULLMENT!!!!
> 
>                    To laugh at my saying the 'thrill of seeing your child born
> and the thrill of that one woman, etc.' is to laugh at yourself.  Because those
> aspirations of mine are based upon the way we ARE made as I've said.  I believe
> you KNOW that and much homosexual expression is self-hatred for just this
> reason.  It's not all because of pressure from the unthinking, unfeeling 
> heterosexual cave people's reaction to you.  

	NO. That is the way *you* are made. Not me. It is not up to you to
decide what is fulfilling or not. How can you say? You're not
me. Not everybody has the same requirements. We are made in many forms. The
body and the spirit and the potential and the mind. All these things determine
the protocol fulfillment. Do not project yourself on me. Some people can be
fulfilled without ever having sexual relationships at all. So what? One finds
what is right for one. Maybe you are projecting your own self- hate upon
us. Your method of communication seems indicative of that since, for the most
part, your messages are vulgar and insulting and tend to leave a person
with a very disagreeable opinion of you.

	I personaly have nothing against heterosexual people, and do not
classify them as cave people.

> 
>                     I reject the notion that you can't resist the pull toward
> homosexuality - any more than I would buy the notion that you HAVE to be a
> mean/kind, warm/cold person or any other such personality or moral type.  I'm
> attracted to stealing, children, animals, hurting myself in the shower.  What
> kind of a rational is that?  None really.  Merely having the attraction is NOT
> a reason to DO something!!!!  What is the JUSTIFICATION FOR IT?  I know, I 
> know, you don't want to have to JUSTIFY your homosexuality (you've said so on
> the net - not you eric - before.)  What about justifying it to YOURSELF???
> Or do you just do it because it feels good and it's the easy path?

	You are you to reject any notions. Could you have rejected the pull
to heterosexuality? Homosexuality is *natural* for us (as per one of my
last postings). It's not even a pull. It is part of what I am, like being
Chinese.

	Why should I have to justify what I am? God made me this way, and
it is part of what I always have been, just as being heterosexual is part
of hwat you always have been. I have to justify moral decisions, but being
homosexual is merely part of my state; it was not a moral decision.

	Being gay is definitely *not* the easy path. Dealing with predjudice
from people like you make it difficult sometimes. But honesty is among
the highest virtues, therefore I choose to live what I am instead of
conform to what others would want.
  
>                     I simply reject your claim to the possession of a fulfill-
> ing love/sex relationship of the same sex kind.  A man cannot fulfull the
> total needs of another man.  You should be honest and admit it at least.  I'd
> think you were wrong and less than you could/should be but at least you 
> wouldn't be trying to convince the world up is down and playing mind games
> with yourself and others.
> 
	You are in no position to reject such a claim. What fulfills you will
not fulfill me, and what fulfills me will not fulfill you. So what? Big
deal. Not all people are the same. My relationship with my lover is quite
fulfilling, and you are in no position to say it isn't. You can't be,
because you have no idea what it is to love him like I do. And I am being
honest. I do not play mind games. I sometimes think you are, though.


						-- Chris.