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From: mcb@k.cs.cmu.edu (Michael Browne)
Newsgroups: net.news.group
Subject: Re: Delete net.flame? (vs. net.bizarre)
Message-ID: <638@k.cs.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 13-Nov-85 18:52:05 EST
Article-I.D.: k.638
Posted: Wed Nov 13 18:52:05 1985
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Organization: Society for the Protection and Preservation of net.bizarre
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In article <3500020@ccvaxa> wombat@ccvaxa.UUCP writes:
>I see it this way: if no one who is interested enough in all the changes
>taking place on the net these days (where interested means interested enough
>to read net.news and/or net.news.group) thought it worthwhile to drum up
>support to save net.bizarre, then it must be that all the people who wanted
>net.bizarre to stay around don't really care about the net and are willing
>to let others decide what the direction of the net should be. 

Once more with feeling...

I first realized that there were changes taking place on the net when
net.bizarre was removed.  There was NO indication in net.bizarre that
anything out of the ordinary was about to happen.  (Some people claimed that
there were cross-posts to net.bizarre that mentioned its removal.  If
someone DID post a warning, could you please step forward and settle this
point?)

I'm not saying that net.bizarre shouldn't have gone away, I'm just objecting
to the manner in which it was removed.  As an example of how a group SHOULD
be removed, just take a look at net.flame.  Virtually ALL of the discussion
was cross-posted to net.flame.  Calls for votes were cross-posted to
net.flame.  Even though the voting was overwhelmingly in favor of removal,
net.flame wasn't removed, it was just dropped by several backbone sites.
Earlier today, I saw a message from Greg Skinner that said that some SAs
voted to remove net.flame, but it wouldn't be removed until the people that
still wanted it had an opportunity to find alternate feeds.

With net.bizarre, you had to be aware that the net was changing before you
knew that support was necessary.  With net.flame, the changes came to you
and everyone had plenty of opportunity to defend it.  And that's the way it
should be.
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