Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site uscvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!qantel!lll-crg!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!ittatc!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!oberon!uscvax!baparao From: baparao@uscvax.UUCP (Bapa Rao) Newsgroups: net.nlang.india Subject: Re: Plunder by the British Message-ID: <276@uscvax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 24-Nov-85 18:00:59 EST Article-I.D.: uscvax.276 Posted: Sun Nov 24 18:00:59 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 29-Nov-85 08:24:03 EST References: <11@sbcs.UUCP> <101800012@uiucdcs> Reply-To: baparao@usc-cse.UUCP (Bapa Rao) Organization: CS&CE Depts, U.S.C., Los Angeles, CA Lines: 66 In article <101800012@uiucdcs> reddy@uiucdcs.CS.UIUC.EDU writes: >Changing the topic, has it ever been established that the British plundered >India? Does anybody have figures representing the rate of growth in India >for a substantial period before the British arrived in India, and the rate >of growth during the British rule? If the British did plunder India, what >did they plunder and howmuch? > >I have'nt seen a detailed study of these issues, but what I have seen >suggests that India progressed faster during the British rule than before it. I have no figures at hand about the "rate of growth" that Reddy talks about, but it would seem to be a reasonable conjecture that the conventional macroeconomic "rate of growth" figures would be higher during British rule than before the arrival of the British. However, I feel that Reddy is jumping to conclusions when he equates "rate of growth" with "national progress" in his second paragraph. When an industrial economy such as post-industrial revolution England's encounters a predominantly agricultural, settled economy such as that of pre-British India, the industrial power tends to play a predatory or colonising role, while the pre-industrial economy plays the role of victim or colony. The result is the enrichment of the industrial power, and impoverishment of the people of the "colony". The industrial power doesn't have to be foreign, nor do their stated intentions to exploit the colony (though both conditions are satisfied in the case of the 18th century British East India Company). Colonizing conditions can also be the result of misguided national economic policies. Consider the rural impoverishment and the urban overcrowding prevalent in the Third World today. This is the result of an industrialized sector of the country (which may be the private sector, or a national government bent on massive industrialization, playing the role of the "colonising" power), growing at the expense of the bulk of the economy which remains rural and pre-industrial (playing the role of the "colonised" power). In all these cases, quantitative measures of "economic status" such as GNP, investment rates etc. show growth, sometimes impressive. But these figures do not reflect the reality of the quality of life of the people, as judged by their access to basic amenities of life, purchasing power, their mental outlook, hopes for the future, etc. In fact, the macro-figures and the quality of life of the people tend often to run in opposite directions. For "neutral" (i.e., non-Indian) examples, only look at Mexico or Brazil, or to be really dramatic, look at Ethiopia (which has the added complicating factor of civil war, to be fair). "India was better off during British Raj than during independence"/"the British did more good than harm in India: witness the economic growth during the british era", etc. are popular refrains heard in the West and echoed by a number of misguided Indians. It is true that we Indians do display an avoidable tendency to "blame it on the Brits", as a substitute to taking an objective look at our national shortcomings. But succumbing to the opposite myth is not the answer. To say that British rule in India directly caused national progress (ignoring the secondary effects of rise of Indian nationalism and native capitalists) is not only demoralizing to our national spirit (since it suggests that India had to "wait until the Brits came along" to make "progress"), but is just plain WRONG. A couple of convincing (to me) studies that analyze the economic problems of third world nations are E.F. Schumacher's (what else?) famous "Small is Beautiful: Economics as if people mattered" (Harper and Row, 1973) and Gunnar Myrdal's "Asian Drama: An Inquiry into the Poverty of Nations" (Random House, 1971). Both spend a good deal of space on India's economy, and point out the irrelevance of conventional macroeconomic measures to the Indian (and similar) situation(s). --Bapa Rao.