Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site h-sc1.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!gatech!seismo!harvard!h-sc1!breuel From: breuel@h-sc1.UUCP (thomas breuel) Newsgroups: net.philosophy,net.math,net.physics Subject: Re: Mind as Turing Machine (a few illuminating comments) Message-ID: <735@h-sc1.UUCP> Date: Sat, 9-Nov-85 00:17:23 EST Article-I.D.: h-sc1.735 Posted: Sat Nov 9 00:17:23 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 15-Nov-85 04:06:19 EST References: <1996@umcp-cs.UUCP> Organization: Harvard Univ. Science Center Lines: 30 Xref: watmath net.philosophy:3117 net.math:2513 net.physics:3558 Below are the answers to two questions that 'biep@klipper.UUCP' asked. Altogether, you can make many comparisons between the brain and Turing machines, but such comparisons will not tell you much about either theoretical or practical limitations of the human brain. Thomas. ---------- ** Why is time complexity not a useful measure for comparing a Turing machine with a real life architecture? Turing machines are very nice devices for theoretical considerations. In a sense, they give the most believable and strict measure of computational complexity. For real life architectures, the theoretical benefits of a Turing machine are unimportant. You can't, for example do accesses to data on a Turing machine in less than O(n), whereas in real life, even on a serial architecture, you can do them in essentially constant time. ** Can you define 'Turing equivalent'? Something is Turing equivalent if it can simulate a Turing machine. Since a Turing machine does not have a limit on the amount of information that it can store, anything that can simulate a Turing machine can also not have a limit on the amount of information that it can store. The human mind probably has such a limit (judging from its architecture). Therefore, the human mind is probably not Turing equivalent.