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From: dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady)
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Subject: Re: Re: Newman, Edison, Velikovsky
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Date: Tue, 19-Nov-85 10:58:40 EST
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I think you're pulling my leg, Paul, but what the heck, I'll bite back.
(The double >> stuff is me quoted by Paul Koloc, the one > stuff is Mr.
Fusion himself.)
> 
> Determined to bury Velikovsky, Goody Gravel Grady shovels higher & deeper:  
> > To use an oft-cited example, Velikovsky seems not to have had a clear
> > understanding of the difference between hydrocarbons and carbohydrates.
> 
> Well that's understandable, I think in slavic languages the words
> mean the same thing.  

Coming soon:  the Velikovsky Diet!  Lose weight and conserve petroleum
at the same time!

> > simply because he failed to conform to dogma.     
>                                          ^^^^^  
> Oh my!  There we go, again, an expression from Holy Mother Science.

I was, of course, asserting that failure to conform to this mythical
"dogma" was not an issue.

> [Fred Hoyle] was
> associated with the "Steady State Universe" theory and that one
> didn't need the presence of God (no creation necessary) so it gave 
> a rather totalitarian role to science in explaining all things.

Actually, Hoyle's ideas cover a lot more than that, including such
notions as directed panspermia.

> As far as "Veli-baby", well he tried to explain religious things
> by stretching constructs of science and that's like being a
> number one traitor in that he was helping the "other guys". 
> Anybody that supports "biblical" events gets on the "ho-ho"
> hit list fast.  Actually, he was pretty clever and fanciful. 

Many scientists are quite religious.  In any event, few perceive science
and religion as opposed or even covering the same subject areas.  Some
religious extremists are, of course, inclined to oppose science because
it upsets their notions of astronomy or history (part of what we call
dogma, you know).  I certainly agree that Dr V was clever and fanciful.

> > I was amazed.  I admit I had expected a crackpot, but I had not
> > expected such an offensive, contemptuous, mean-spirited, dumb
> > crackpot.  
> 
> You left out "low down, sneaking, thieving, cattle rustling, blind 
> dirty dog"

I wasn't just calling names, Paul.  I was objecting to Velikovsky's
rabid attacks on anyone whom he suspected might disagree with his
Velikovskian dogma.  Read _Worlds In Collision_ and see what I mean.

> By the way, how did Shapely's daughter turn out? 

Ho ho ho

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